Not that we didn't know that Bonds was juicing but SI is now breaking it WIDE open with this weeks cover story...They have EVERYTHING…original charts, tests, dates, all the grand jury testimony, emails,notebooks….EVERYTHING…all from the San Fran investigators….check it out at sports illustrated.com
I've heard already that this may just make BB retire before the season starts....

Hmmm, should be interesting to see what comes of this. My guess is nothing more than before, but we'll see.

No suprise, but I will enjoy watching the truth be told with hard evidence and facts instead of hearsay and speculation.....

To me it will also be interesting to see how hypocritical ESPN is with this...given how in bed they are with BB I hope they distance themselves quickly from him and cancel his "reality" show immediately...I think ESPN needs some major competition---like Fox News was to CNN...they have gotten too complacent as the only major sports outlet...

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Yep, that was my comment too.

A big huge asterisk in the record books.

Out of respect for the game, he should just retire now and let the bambino's record stand at 2nd place all time.

How can he have an asterisk? As much as I hat saying it, steroids weren't banned by the league at that time.

If he still wants to play, he only has one choice... sue right away. Anything else would be an admission of guilt, imo.

I'd say no asterik either. No asterik, because his achievements should be shitcanned, period.

The problem is, there is no public demand anymore. Most people just don't give a shit anymore, because baseball has long refused to clean up its act. History has shown that it takes a LOT of public pressure for MLB to get their asses in gear, and the people are tired of the steroid talk. It may be just my opinion, but come on, this has been going on since '98 with the andro, for chrissakes..

The proposal that was just agreed upon by MLB and the PA was a good one for punishment, (50, 1 year, life, I think it was), but I say if you really want to get rid of it, go straight for the jugular. First offense, 1 year, second offense, 5 years (which would eliminate many careers of users), third offense, life. MLB just came out with the whole "supplement store" a couple of days ago (great idea, IMO), so there is no excuse now.

As far as Bonds goes, is he innocent? Does Wilmac get laid? Of course, the answer is a resounding, "FUUUCCCKKK NO". This is nothing new, but as several people mentioned, it finally has concrete evidence to back it up. Kick his ass out of the game, and strip all of achievements, I say.

If the commish had any balls he would ban him for life tomorrow, and wipe out all the records he holds.

Amen, brotha!
I used to love ESPN until they became the sports version of MTV. Reality shows, game shows and Chris "Yabba Dabba Doo" Berman is still there. Someone has to cut out his tongue!

If he had any balls, he would lock out the players union and get a real system in place like the NFL did in the 80's and the NHL did last year. In other words, baseball needs a new commish.

I still get a crack out of people who just don't get it and play the race card. :rolleyes: It's sad really.

Hey, Knight School rules!

Bank robbery is not banned by baseball either. Point being, they are ILLEGAL.

Dude needs to get banished from the game ala Pete Rose style.

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I read the thread three times. I still am missing the "race card". I'm just not seeing what the fuck you're talking about.

Who played it? How?

I'm going to speculate that he either is referring to Bonds himself or supporters of Bonds in general. In the past day or so race has been mentioned in relation to McGuire not being hounded about obvious steroid abuse (he got out while the gettin' was good) and about the attention and promotion from MLB that McGuire recieved during his home run chase with Socia.

Bonds wasn't the center of attention and was jealous and now blames it on the media and white people. While McGuire had the brains to walk away with his money, records and shame, Bonds arrogantly wants to collect his paycheck, not answer questions when the truth is the topic and soil the game while mocking the fans and press with his presence.

Interesting.

I've been listening to espnradio.com all day yesterday and today.

I haven't heard anyone mentioning race at all. So I guess I didn't realize anyone was making that argument.

My bad, I guess I should have clarified. Socal pretty much said what I wanted to. I was indeed talking about Bond's supporters and black people who just disrespect their own race by playing the race card. A few have called in to my local talk shows sparking all sorts of crap and it just pisses me off. It demoralizes those who actually have to deal with racism. They just don't get that Bond's is the one with the single season hr record and threatening the career hr record... and he just happens to be black.

So is doing cocaine and other drugs, but there are plenty of athletes in the HOF in all sorts of sports that have been found guilty of doing it. Gambling was already banned in baseball long before Pete Rose even picked up a bat.

There's an article that goes with it too.

Incorrect.

In 1991 the League Banned the use and possesion of Steriods. The players union didn't want the league to actually test any of the players, and the Commisioner gave into those demands.

Even if that wasn't the case- it doesn't matter if it was specficially stated that it was illegal because of the Best Interests of Baseball clause. And to top ot off, the Commisioner doesn't need to have an admission or a conviction in a court to be able to act.

Because you bring up Pete Rose, and mention that gambling (on baseball) was banned long before he did it

At the start and end of the 1919 season, there was no rule specifically making it illegal for players to bet on baseball. During 1920, the eight Chicago White Sox Players, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Chick Gandil, Swede Risberg, Buck Weaver, Happy Felsch, Eddie Cicotte, Lefty Williams, and Fred McMullin were cleared of any charges by a grand jury at the end of 1920, yet Kenesaw Mountain Landis banned all eight of them for life from baseball in 1921. None of the players addmitted at the time that they were involved in the fix - although Buck Weaver admitted knowing of the fix, but denied any direct involvement (being paid or trying to throw the games) in it. Fred McMullin got banned for pretty much the same since his playing time in the Series was limited to 2 pinch hit at bats and no playing time in the field. A few players admitted having a direct involvement in tossing the games - but that was years after already having been banned for life from baseball.

Those players were banned, and Landis made it illegal from that point on for any player to bet on baseball games, conspire to fix the outcome of any baseball games, or to fail to inform the manager or owner of the team if they knew of any players betting on or conspiring to fix baseball games.

As for any records -
A couple of thos players still hold (either by themselves or jointly) records in baseball. Being banned from the game didn't remove what they did on the filed prior to it. But those records are obscure and have no signifigant meaning either.
The single season Home Run record has always been overrated in my opinion - no one talked about it during the '80s.

True dat! ....although I will agrue the McGwire-steriods thing as there is no proof he used anything but Andro and suppliments, but that is for another time.....but Mac did walk away when he did and was left alone except for that foolish congress shame....but Bonds is still here trying to break one of the most reverred records in all of sports. And it is not so much Bonds that plays the race card, it is his minions and close supporters who try to get him out of this mess by deflecting the media glare in any other direction they can.

The bottom line is there are many people who are saying that Bonds took roids, and either they supplied him, watched him or helped him cover it up in some way.....and since there is proof of him using since 1998, who knows how long he used before that?

An asterik is called for no question, but he should be treated the same way as Pete Rose IMHO, banned now and kept out of the HOF.

Uh, wrong. Steroids was not "banned" in 1991. There was a memo with a proposal to get "illegal drugs" banned, but (like you said) the union didn't agree to it. Therefore, nothing was banned in the league.
Might want to read about the "Best Interests of Baseball clause" and who would actually win if Selig used that.
The big difference was that baseball immediately took charge after it happened.
This is a funny statement because no one even came close to the single season homerun record in the '80's. Of course no one talked about it. I remember when 35-40 homeruns would win you the homerun title. Hell, it was a huge deal when Cecil Fielder reached 50 in 1990. Make no mistake, this is a big deal and Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds broke it by using steriods, but the drug wasn't banned in baseball.

Again, I would love to see their records stripped, but I believe we're living in a dream world as long as Selig is the Commish.

What are you talking about? Bonds has played the race card himself plenty of times. I especially love his retaliation when he said he just wants to chase Babe Ruth down since he's white, but not so much Hank Aaron since he's black.
Again, I ask how you can put an asterisk on it if steroids weren't banned during that time? What about Palmeiro, Giambi and Sheffield when they become Hall eligible? Andro wasn't banned at the time, but it is now so does that mean McGwire gets one too?

Does anyone think MLB or even Congress will take any action after the book comes out?

I do. I don't know why, but I am holding out hope that he will be banned and his records will be either wiped out or an asterik will be there. No matter what happens in my mind Marris, Ruth, and Aaron's records will still stand no matter what sosa, mac, or bonds do.