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#571482 - 27/02/02 12:56 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
brad77 Offline
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will this thread ever die?

top 3:
1 todrick - 15 posts
2 socal - 11 posts (6 after stating "Any time I respond all it does is continue the debate and as I said earlier , this can never come to a resolution.")
3 xoc - 6 posts, but appears to have given up after page 3

oh yeah...cygnus, it does appear (IMHO) that you are spewing some crap. But I do agree that this may be better suited to the ALR.

happy trails (2 or 4),
brad
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#571483 - 27/02/02 05:53 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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If spewing crap is stating that a 2wd Xterra is in no way, shape or form a pre-runner, and is nothing more than a plain old 2wd truck then I'll get my shovel out and start cleaning up right away. A few people just don't want to believe this, which is fine and dandy, but it should not be posted that a 2wd is capable of doing something its not (i.e. desert racing). To me, that's what I call spewing crap. But...all in the eye of the beholder I guess.

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#571484 - 27/02/02 06:48 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
Strom Offline
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Originally posted by Todrick:
thats odd. because when suspensions where talked about a couple weeks ago i stated that i thought they were identical between 4x4 and 4x2 and Ian corrected me and said the 4x2's had less clearance... i have to wonder if cars.com f-ed up their numbers
I'm pretty sure those numbers are right - I saw them somewhere else previously. The reason for the difference in clearance is probably the t-case.
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#571485 - 27/02/02 08:43 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cygnus-X1:
If spewing crap is stating that a 2wd Xterra is in no way, shape or form a pre-runner, and is nothing more than a plain old 2wd truck then I'll get my shovel out and start cleaning up right away....

...but it should not be posted that a 2wd is capable of doing something its not (i.e. desert racing).
out of the box... no its not.

but we were not talking about out of the box.

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#571486 - 27/02/02 09:02 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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#571487 - 27/02/02 11:15 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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Originally posted by cds3:
Nice. LOL [LOL]
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#571488 - 27/02/02 12:18 PM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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mad FOR GOD'S SAKE MEN LET IT GO!.....i could give a rats ass what truck you bought and what you did to it, and i expect the same from you
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#571489 - 28/02/02 12:49 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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Registered: 12/03/01
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Quote:
Originally posted by xterra_canuck:
Neither version of the Xterra is, right out of the box, a winner.
BULL SH*T!!!

Out of the box is when its the best contneder.

A stock 4x4 Xterra can keep up with just about any other reasonalbly priced 4x4 out there.
Large trucks have a few advantages but are too big, Toyota Tacoma's are a bit more capable but are expensive, Jeeps are a little better but are very closely matched when still stock.

Petersen's 4W&OR did a review on a few SUV's and trucks and one thing I found interesting was that the Xterra's minimum ground clearance was ~.5" above a Chevy Avalanche, 1" above the Jeep Grand Cherokee and 2" inches above the Jeep Liberty!
The only vehicle that rode higher was a Dodge Ram by .25 inches!

I haven't seen a picture of a stock Grand Cherokee on anything that a stock Xterra couldn't do (I'm sure there's one out there but I bet they took more damage than to make it worth it).
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#571490 - 28/02/02 09:09 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
GrayHam Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kerensky97/ NOXCAPE:
Quote:
Originally posted by xterra_canuck:
[b]Neither version of the Xterra is, right out of the box, a winner.
BULL SH*T!!!

Out of the box is when its the best contneder.

A stock 4x4 Xterra can keep up with just about any other reasonalbly priced 4x4 out there.
Large trucks have a few advantages but are too big, Toyota Tacoma's are a bit more capable but are expensive, Jeeps are a little better but are very closely matched when still stock.

Petersen's 4W&OR did a review on a few SUV's and trucks and one thing I found interesting was that the Xterra's minimum ground clearance was ~.5" above a Chevy Avalanche, 1" above the Jeep Grand Cherokee and 2" inches above the Jeep Liberty!
The only vehicle that rode higher was a Dodge Ram by .25 inches!

I haven't seen a picture of a stock Grand Cherokee on anything that a stock Xterra couldn't do (I'm sure there's one out there but I bet they took more damage than to make it worth it).[/b]
I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't good, and I'll be the first to admit that I don't know everything about 4x4ing, but I have paid enough attention to know that most hardcore four-wheelers on this board would prefer a solid front axle (not available on an Xterra), and it seems that most, given a choice (money not a factor--I said out of the box, not out of the box at approximately $25K or less . . . ), would prefer a Land Cruiser, especially a Defender 90.

I never said the Xterra wasn't capable or a great truck. I just said it wasn't a "winner" (the best of the best). It appears that many people on this board are performing mods on their Xterras, not because they're bored, or because they're crazy, or because they've got fuck-all else to spend their money on, but in an effort to make the Xterra better. Good for them.

The Xterra is a great truck, excellent off-road, but I have paid attention to Schlud's and Ian's comments--the Xterra has limitations that some other 4x4s don't have.
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#571491 - 28/02/02 10:29 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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Mercy.... Uncle..... Peace......

Someone DELETE this f*cking thread already!
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#571492 - 28/02/02 10:39 AM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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Originally posted by PNUTMNM:
Mercy.... Uncle..... Peace......

[b]Someone DELETE this f*cking thread already!
[/b]
Amen to that!!!give it a break... [Uh Oh !]
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#571493 - 28/02/02 01:39 PM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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#571494 - 28/02/02 01:42 PM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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You guys are determined to bring this thing back to life. I'm not falling for that bananna in the tail pipe again. This issue is dead.

D------E------D ! DEAD!
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#571495 - 28/02/02 01:45 PM Re: 4x4 vs. 4x2 Debate (a statement)
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Quote:
Originally posted by socalpunX:
You guys are determined to bring this thing back to life. I'm not falling for that bananna in the tail pipe again.
Bananas can render a 4x4 incapacitated far sooner than a 4x2.

Something to do with the heavy-duty off-road muffler bearings, I'll bet . . .

[Finger]

Sorry, sorry, one last stupid shot . . . Todrick? Kill it, would you?
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