Ian,
Not looking for consumer reports - just the cliff notes.
Do you like the SLR 3" Lift?
-Tim


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01SE 6cyl 5spd SolrYelow

Ian probably likes the lift except that fact that it's not really 3".

Sure he does, its free
whats not too like





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LOL, Oleg! You don't give up...

AFAIK, he likes it.

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01SE 6cyl 5spd SolrYelow

What makes you think that ?

Compared to a stock Xterra, the lift is right at 3 inches.

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Regards,
Ian

Now we just need a good BODY lift...

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01SE 6cyl 5spd SolrYelow

STOCK Xterra ?! What's that?

I hear you knockin' ...

There is no such beast. And body lifts are really made for street cruisers ...

I was at 4Wheel Parts yesterday and they said that they had one made by Performance Accessories for about $260. The install price was heinous though (500 bones).



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Mine: 2001 Solar Yellow XE w/ lots of toys.
Hers: 2001 SuperBlack XE, 99.9% stock.
www.urbanassaultxterra.com Updated on 04.12.01:Gallery 2

4x4 I think has one as part of their kit - look at the pictures.

Street Cruisers? I'm not so sure about that. What's the main thing that all the modified owners are bitching about right now? Fitting larger tires, rubbing on fuel filler necks or wheelwells... This would solve that.

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01SE 6cyl 5spd SolrYelow

BP's right, a body lift would solve some rubbing problems (albeit not mine...I rub on the brake line covers in the front that attach to the frame, not the body.)

HOWEVER, for the number of Xterra owners who have replacement front (& rear) bumpers, body lifts are a much bigger PITA to install...a guy on the 4x4Parts website recently bodylifted his Frontier and made some sort of bracket to shim his ARB up, it looks quite fugly. I also wouldn't want to winch/snatch w/ an ARB/KMA that's been elevated three inches above the frame rails.

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Vikram/gothamist -- MAXC member
http://www.4x4LO.com

Good points, Vikram. It's all a trade-off, I guess and we're cursed with small wheelwells.

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01SE 6cyl 5spd SolrYelow

Your ignorance is showing.

Body lifts are not just for the street, and are useful whenever a suspension lift won't get you to the height you want safely.

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Regards,
Ian

Exactly how big do you want to go ?

Driver skill is much more important than tire size.

Anything bigger than 32-33 is basically pointless on a new $25k, daily driven vehicle.

If you want big tires, spend $3k on a beat up Bronco, and take a Sawz-All to it.

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Regards,
Ian

this is an ignorant question but how much on average do suspension or leaf kits cost is rancho the way to go and how much should installation run. Also should I get the lift and bigger tires at the same time or can I do one first and then the other and which should be done first that wont make it look goofy.

thanks.

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'01 super black XE 4x4
name: VADER

That can depend on the stock vehicle too.

If the suspension works fine, a mild body lift will allow larger tires.

Jeeps have excellent suspension capabilities, but very small wheel well openings. 32 inch tires on a Cherokee requires a 4 inch lift, so be thankful Nissan opened up the Xterra wheel wells like they did.

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Regards,
Ian

Driver skill is more important than any lift or modification you can make, I have seen plenty of stock or nearly stocks rigs go places you would never imagine they could. Now your comment on any tire bigger than a 32/33 being pointless makes no sense, since many full size trucks come with tires close to 32's from the factory and they can fit 33's or 35's with the same type of 3" lift you installed. For the X to go to 33's or bigger there is a need for additional work as the engine does not produce enough power, this is why I am swapping my R&P's to account for the tires I am about to run. People choose to modify $500 beaters and $40,000 trucks because that's the vehicle they choose..to each is own but just because it is a daily driver and brand new does not mean you can't make it a serious trail rig.


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So, I did a search at BoarderPhreak's recommendation and found nothing. Has he (Ian) posted a review yet?
Thanks,
Brad

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[This message has been edited by Strom (edited 05-05-2001).]

A truck with a body lift is simply not as safe as a truck without one when off-road. I don't need to list out all the reasons why do I? Someone wants to run a mild body lift (1") on the trail, fine. Anything more than that is asking for trouble. A street cruiser who wants to have bigger tires can get a body lift, but a trail rig should not. That's my opinion on body lifts, not ignorance.



[This message has been edited by Philosopher (edited 05-08-2001).]

But a tall suspension lift is (like 8" from EOE) ?

Can you explain why physics don't apply to the suspension lift, but they do to the body lift ?

Suspension lifts raise everything from the suspension up, while a body lift only raises the body, leaving the heavy frame lower.

With your logic, the body lift would be safer.

Tell me where you heard all this BS.

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Regards,
Ian

Relax Ian.

I'm not one much for huge suspensions lifts either, top heaviness is not good no matter how it is achieved. The point I was trying to make is that IMO body lifts are not good in general - i.e. "There is no such thing as a good body lift". You don't agree with me, fine.



[This message has been edited by Philosopher (edited 05-09-2001).]

in response to Chony's "Do you like the SLR 3" Lift?"




Gee, the constant ribbing from certain guys about it being free?


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I've been hacked by PoizonBOX.

So Ian, how did that lift work out? Or is there a link you have to a review yet?

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Relax, have a homebrew,
Joe

The 8-9" lift from EOE will be with tires as well, NJ law states I can not go more than 9" over stock so that is what I am shooting for. Proper offset and wider tires are always needed when you lift a vehicle, safety is something EOE is greatly concerned with and the lift is geared with this in mind. People must realize though that any truck with larger tires, lifted or not will act differently on and off road. I will post tons of pictures/video when the lift is completed and during the extensive testing we plan on putting it through. These will be on and off road as well as RTI ramp shots. We are also working on another less radical lift for the Xterra/Frontier which will allow for a 33 to be run and dramatically increase the articulation as well as the handling...it is not like any other lift out on the market as well. As an experienced off roader and owner of the company I chose to go pretty radical with my lift, some obvious reasons are that I want to explore the limits of the Xterra, display our talents/products and plan on entering competitions with my truck. This project has taken quite some time to design and source all the parts, all that I am waiting for now is time since this will not be a one day install. Our current schedule is the middle of next month for the install and after that we will start working on the second lift design for Xterra/Frontier.

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[This message has been edited by FSRBIKER (edited 05-14-2001).]

After a solid axle swap, new ring and pinions, new hubs, new axles, is it still an Xterra ?

Regardless of what chassis you start with, enough money will remove any limits.

Give me an Xterra, $25,000 and 3 months, and I could finish in the top 3 at the Warn Rock Crawling Championships. Of course it wouldn't be an Xterra anymore

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Regards,
Ian

Me too...but the swap is not costing nearly that much...and if all goes as planned a kit will be made available from the basic to everything including the front axle. My other suspension design will retain the stock IFS but remove/alter several limiting factors in it's design. And yes even with a solid swap it is still an Xterra but the main limiting offroad part is being changed, that's all...the other changes can be made with any X so what are you getting at..you yourself have already swapped hubs and the ring and pinion change will give you your power back?

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[This message has been edited by FSRBIKER (edited 05-14-2001).]

FSR

A few questions for you...

Since you are the owner of EOE how soon do you guys intend on making the longer wheelbase rocksliderz??

I am assuming you guys are going with the 76/77 Ford Bronco Dana 44 axle??? Are you also going to retro fit Chevy lug pattern in order to keep the 6 lug pattern. Also are you looking to use coil springs with a 4 inch lift 3 body and 1-2 tires??? Will this kit also be availble for other types of Nissan's(Since they are relatively the same frame and components throughout the years)

What type of suspension are you looking at the Rancho lift. May I suggest the Fox coil-over shocks with the remote resivoir? Since you are going crazy with lifts why not use the old path 4 link and ditch those stupid leaf under the axle(although I do realize that a substantial amount of lift can be obtained by doing a leaf over).

Sorry so many questions but I would probably be one of the few interested in a "kit" like the one you are talking about.
That's assuming from reading these last posts what you are going to do.

Also are you EOE-TVA or X wired on another board or is that somebody else??

Again sorry for the long post and if you would rather drop me an email, I would be interested.

Later

Brian

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I actually have a slider cut to length for the Frontier CC or King Cab, the problem I am having is finding a local owner to come by so I can make sure of the measurements of the bolt holes. I know first hand the differences between Xterra's since the frame is sectioned in the middle of the truck and want to make sure the Frontier sliders are a simple bolt up procedure. Once someone comes by I can weld the first set and make my jigs and drawings from it. If you know Jimbo from the 4x4parts board please get him in touch with me...he was interested a while ago in helping out but I can't find his e-mail address...or any other Frontier owner that is willing to come by my shop in Newton, NJ...or even my house in Rockaway, NJ.

Well I guess the secret is out...I am using a Dana 44 from a 72 Bronco and have Wild Horses 5.5" lift coils...the actual lift depends on where we weld the spring towers on though. I don't plan on using a body lift but I will be running 35's so I might need a 1" body lift...this we will determine after the suspension is in and we start to flex it. The front is being converted using Chevy parts to a 6 lug pattern with disc brakes...my other option was(is) to get rear axle shafts made with a 5 on 5.5 pattern to match the front and just use a Bronco disc conversion kit...the benefit of this is your rim choices are now ten fold. I am looking into that possibility but that all depends on how much my supplier will charge for axle shafts...I am looking to make the kit as affordable as possible. The second conversion we will be doing will be to a first generation Pathfinder so yes the kit will be available for other Nissan models. Shocks are an important part of the lift, more than likely we will be using Sway Away Race Runner shocks once we determine the correct length needed for full flex. For my truck(then into production after extensive testing) I will eventually design a four link coil set up in the rear for even more flex but at first it will be a spring over axle set up.

For those who do not wish to go to a solid axle up front there will be the EOE IFS suspension lift which is being designed to accomodate 33" tires. We are making a Nissan Xterra/Frontier mock frame and will be installing my IFS suspension onto it and from there we will work to eliminate/lessen some of the limiting factors of IFS. We know exactly what we want to do and having the mock frame and suspension to install it on will be a great benefit to help us see up close what needs to be improved after we install each piece. Our goal for EOE is not to be as big as Rancho, Trailmaster, etc.(though it would be nice) but to design and build suspension systems and products for those serious about going 4 wheeling not just for looks. The IFS suspension systems out there are not bad but they don't address certain limiting factors, whether that is because of cost or more than likely they feel we don't need any more flex as most people that buy them don't really go offroad that often if ever..just how many new lifted trucks do see that are muddy?

EOE-TVA and X-Wired is my partner Todd, if you noticed he is full of information and you might have noticed he is also very concerned about the 4 wheelers image...we both have seen some of our local trails shut down despite the clubs in our area helping to improve that image and work with local land management authorities to prevent this. I always go by FSRBIKER on all the boards...whether they are Nissan, Toyota, Jeep, etc. If anyone has any other questions feel free to ask, everyone please be patient when e-mailing us as we both are very busy and but will answer all questions...I am sure most of us have experienced this with SLR, 4x4parts and all other makers of parts as well but I am sure they are busy as well and don't ever blow some one off on purpose.
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[This message has been edited by FSRBIKER (edited 05-15-2001).]

Well I am looking forward to seeing both of them.

My only question is in regards to the limiting factor on IFS. That would basically be CV joint angles. Are you doing a u-joint replacement like Downey ?

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Ian

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FSR

Thanks for the quick response! The only reason I supplied all the info that I know is that I have been trying to gather info for doing a swap myself but everytime I bring it up at a 4wheel place I get laughed at for 2 reasons. 1st I own a Nissan 2nd I want to spend money on a Nissan. So needless to say I grow tired of these places around here. Most of my info comes from "Frankenfinder". I am sure that you are aware of whom I am talking about.
If you would like I could take measurements of my HB Kcab (I know that it is probably difficult without it being there but if you need it I would be glad to help)
Sorry for not posting X info. I was going to get one but with my truck being mine in 6 months I would rather just keep it and save money to make it more off-road worthy. I guess I will wait to buy one used after my truck is worn out.

BTW I know what you mean by people jacking their rigs up just to look cool. Good luck on your project and post pics.
Also any estimated time on when you might start making your kits available?
I haven't seen Jimbo since the board went down but I will look out for him and let him know.

About the IFS lift are you looking at the Porsche cv joints?? I heard those can exceed some pretty mean angles.

Later.

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Todd A. has the measurements for the HB's already for the sliders, what I need is a Frontier unless someone wants them as weld ons then i have no problem making someone a set. I know what you mean about people wondering why we are modifying Nissan's, we are out to prove to them that Nissan's can be serious trail rigs.

There are more than just CV angles as limiting factors for IFS suspensions, we will address them all and when we install the first kit and show the results everyone will be really surprised at what we have come up with. Downey has done some great things for the Toyota IFS and we plan on doing the same for Nissan's.


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