That's just way too much money for what is there.

Here's my breakdown of the parts. These prices are standard, look them up on the web.

Cromoly Tubing - $18
Steel Stock for Tie-rod mounts - $20
Spherical Bearings - $52
Retaining Clips - $8
Shoulder Bolts - $8
Washers - $4

5-7 hours of machining, welding, drilling at $50/ hour.

That's $110 in materials and $250-350 in labor.

I don't see where the remaining cost is coming from unless it's purely markup.

I'll give it 6 months for another aftermarket company to duplicate such a set up at a reasonable price. Just as SLR copied EOE's tie Rod adjustors, changed the look a little bit, and stamped their initials on it....someone will probably do the same to an aftermarket center link. But that's just my 2cents.

On that note, it's back to reading the Jeep forums for info on my Commando's SOA conversion, I'm hoping to start this week

Hey SLR , you think you will get far by offending your customers , and putting down your compedetors ?

you still did not answer my question:
GOT ANY PICTURES, that would show YOUR set up in offroad situation?
(and please dont give me that shit pictures with X jumping, and pick ups on sand.)

how am i suppose to know what components you got installed in those trucks ?

also, you have no problem with putting waranty on everything you sell , but you will not waranty if we abuse the parts.
could you please explain what excactly did you mean ? (as far as i know, going offroad = abusing your truck, so you will not waranty your parts if we take them offroad ? )

How would they go about photographing them up close on a truck in motion ?

Ian: i did not expect this question from you

why would i pay 900 $ for something i dont even how it looks like installed and how it works/flexes on the trail

maybe for some one who runs fast in sad its ok , but where we wheel we get to croll slowly over rocks)

I think it is a fair question for Ian to ask you. I myself was wondering how you would be able to hang out the window and take pictures of something under the truck while it was moving.

And as far as how it looks installed?! Did you not see the pics posted earlier? Ring Ring Clue Phone... It's for you!

I agree however with you that the price seems a bit steep.

You spent $25,000 on a truck you didn't know much about either...

I had planned on testing this steering system for XOC, but it's out of my price range too. Just wait until the price drops, or someone coughs up the cash then ask them, since you don't trust SLR.

And someone get him a Speak & Spell too...

That's what I'm saying... $900 or even $715 is out of line. I'd pay $350, maybe...

Yeah. I'd be in with Ian if he had a shop make some. I'm sorry SLR, but if you want these things to sell like hotcakes, they have to be affordable. These aren't.

Carlton: i have not seen any of their pictures that were actualy are close ups ON THE TRAIL ( if there are any, Please point me to them )

if it was tested in slow speed speeds (as slr sad in the first part of the thread), it dont take a rocket scientist to stand infront of the truck , and snap a pic, while the driver climbs the rock, or something like that

Ian: you are comparing nissan R&D to SLR ?

What exactly do you expect to see in a picture on a trail ?

"Oh, look at that cute chipmunk sitting next to the X!"

I'm not sure what Oleg wants to see either, as showing them "in use" won't tell you much anyway. I think he's just saying he wants to see the whole setup - that is, more shots of it... No?

Not chipmunk.... MARMMOT!!

Sound more to me that he is just raising stink.

There is lots of demand for a new centerlink setup, but not at that price. I think that priced at <$500, these would sell much better.

Ok, Here's what I see, Add $100 for a new modified Idler Arm, and at least that for a new Pitman Arm and their price is about right. I agree expensive, but hey....Unfortunattely they have a lock on the market right now. Not to mention, I like how they use stock type Tie-Rod Ends, which wil wear, but will not come apart a and be very dangerous on teh trail/road...

Cliff

As opposed to... "At all."

I'm gonna take a wild leap and guess that either Oleg knows that EOE is working on a similar product and he is trash talking, or he doesn't know what kind of abuse SLR puts their trucks through.

From what I've seen, they do punish their trucks, but don't spend hours with a copilot and a camera saying "hold on, this is a great shot!", they just wheel.

Only posers take photos on rocks.

Call me a poser.

I have a new centerlink, and its still bad. Driving on a rotten highway (we have lots of those in MO) really sucks. I thought I had read somewhere that when your A-arms are at a higher angle, bumpsteer is worse. Thinking through the physics, it almost makes sense... When you use a longer upper A-arm (lift kit) at a higher than stock angle, as your suspension compresses, the top of the spindle will be moved outwards. The tierod length will not change, so this will pull the front of trhe tires inward (toe-in), making your truck squirrelly every time you hit a bump. It should not be as bad at stock suspension angles, as the upper A-arm is shorter, so the spindle's vertical orientation should not change as much. Ok, so I'm just kind of rambling here... is my logic flawed (did that even make any sense at all)?

SLR- I was really hoping to see a broader redesign of the Nissan steering than that. The geometry of Nissan's steering is flawed when lifted, you will have bad wear points when you use the same geometry. Obviously, you have acknowledged this since you "made this centerlink serviceable". I don't have a good solution for this, but I'm not the one selling Nissan parts either. Keep the ideas coming!

Carlton: all i asked was "lets see some pictures "

how the fuck hard is it ?

company is selling something, and before i am ready to purchase i will be damn sure to see all the pictures of exsactly what i am geting , and how it works!
if the comany aint ready to provide the pictures, fuck ya !, i will wait till some other manufacturer will come out with a product and will actualy posts a pics of them

It will show the angles of the tie rods, etc...hey we all know SLR does a lot of Desert running in their trucks I think everyone just wants to know and see pictures of their truck on some rock crawling trips with the new setup.

BTW Dez/Spencer it's good to see some progress on a real weak part of Nissan trucks, just get some more pics togther for everyone to see.

Avalanche Engineering(they make the Sniper) has produced a new steering system for Nissan's as well...it's going through some R&D on a customers truck but the price was $600. Info on the 4x4parts board under Nissan Suspensions.

Todd, check yer Email man. I wanna score a set of T-Bars for Mod Day (May 18th).

FWIW, I don't see the SLR price as being too bad. It sounds like they really did their homework, and are using some high-quality materials. Also, if they really put as much time into it as they say they did, you have a lot of R&D to pay for. SLR has always had very high quality of workmanship in what I've seen, no "hack jobs". I'd like to see it under $800, though. I'm also quite curious what the "consumables" cost to replace.

Using curse words does not support your poor writing skills.

There have been pictures of SLR's trucks up on the web for quite some time. What more do you want? A picture of the truck posed ever so beautifully on a rock? A naked chick on the hood? To say that you want to see photographs of the system in action is pointless.

We all know that SLR beats the crap of of their trucks both at speed and crawling. And (correct me if I am wrong) MOST of the problems have occured at speed while going up a hill, not while going really slow over a rock.

That being said.. As valuable as pictures are, real world testing of the product speaks more to me. AC had some "great" pics of their steering set up, EOE had wonderful pics of the tie rod center links but real world testing of both has shown that there have been problems. AC's steering completely failed and EOE has been having problems with the links bending. So because SLR has been doing this YEARS longer than AC or EOE I have more faith that their products have been properly tested before release to market than I do in pictures of a rig on the trail.

Now with that out of the way.. if it were to be proven with real world testing that SLR's steering was just as weak at the AC one or that they were bending things like the EOE tie rods then I would lose ALL respect for them as a manufacture and have serious doubts as to their abilities. However if we look at their track record we can see that their products have lived up to what they have advertised.

Pictures are worth a thousand words.. but are they the words you want to hear?

P.S. I still think they are asking too much for it.