A real sharp reply. It shows off all those years of education you bragged about.

How can there be any debate on any issue in this country when you people only come up with replies like ignorant, hateful and fearful? It could indicate that you realize you are on the wrong side.

I'm convinced the majority of media polls are bullshit. Most polls are bullshit. Polling is an occupation. They have methods and use the language to produce favorable outcomes for the client paying the bills. Those that don't turn out favorably rarely if ever get the results published.

I never said the liberal media controls everything. They control the liberal media. Not all media is liberal. Most of it is. The entertainment industry is probably more damaging and influencial on public opinion. It's a good topic to explore.

Society is most likely crumbling. The evidence is all around us. Yes, I believe radical liberalism is responsible for much.

Society can still be saved. It's not a lost cause yet.

Good men should not only confront evil when they see it... they also need to dispute bullshit when they see it. That is a good start. Why don't you join the good side.

What have I supported for so long? Certainly not liberalism and the mainstreaming of deviance. Is that what you are inferring?

I try very hard in my profession - and I may be one of the last ones - to not join a side, although the publication I work for is regularly criticized for conservativism.

What media outlets do you consider more trustworthy?

Fags rule.....

What Canadians think matters not.

Well good for you, we think NOTHING of American Dweebes that calls themselves MANDO.

Hey numbnuts, don't label me as scum or put me in the same camp as Madman. I specifically said that I don't share his views. I called you out because you claimed that your education and income (both imagined, I'm sure - care to share some specifics?) made you better than another person. A statement like on a message board generally comes from a person with an associate degree from Bumblefuck State University who is an assistant manager at Arby's. For the record, I never tried to tell anybody how to live their life.

By the way, a highly educated person such as you should be able to spell “mearly” and “thier” correctly.

Therefore we just took away one of your ratings NI !

So touchy. And I was just kidding. I love Canada. Add my truck back!

Man, see? You're as narrow minded as the rest of them...sigh...

I'm not sure the idea of trustworthiness is what we are talking about here. There are also different situations and stories where trust can vary. If the news story is reporting Jon Doe robbed the 7-11 and stole $50 bucks and beat up the clerk... that's one thing. Newspapers even often get these details wrong.

You can have two newspapers in a city that report on the same incident. Each will put their own perspective on the situation. For example...if police are involved and minorities are also involved, one paper could try to make a racial incident out of it. Maybe even spin the story as police brutality. The other may not run the story with that angle. Same incident. Two different ways of packaging the story. It's a small example but this stuff happens every single day.

Bias exists in every media organization. It comes down from the top. The publishers and editors and after a while the reporters know how their bosses want things packaged and presented. They also know what not to write about. This a fact of life whether you wish to admit it or not. I've always said that the biggest form of bias in the media at large is what is not reported to the public. The media has long forgotten that they are in the news business. Not the business of not offending some people. This is the biggest and greatest corruption of our media.

Bias gets worse when dealing with societal issues. Especially political issues and the way they are reported and presented to the reader and viewer.

I guess what I am saying is... you have to look at each story and issue and decide for yourself the level of trustworthiness. Also get info from multiple sources. Relying on any single source of information is never good. Some will give you more info, some will not.

It is also a fact that editors and the editorial staffs of most major newspapers are biased to liberal views on social and political issues. The NY Times is the prime example and most media organizations (including broadcast) take their cue from the NY Times. The LA Times also.

Staying on topic, it is also a fact that most media organizations are pro-gay in their editorial policies. I think you know that. You as a member of the media know that all too clearly. I feel you are very reluctant to admit this fact.

Too many media people have adopted an elitist type attitude. Maybe over-education does that to some of them. Maybe because they all hang around in the same social circles.

Attending the best universities in no way makes anyone's opinions on any social subject better just because of the fact that you are educated. Many highly educated people also support big government socialism. It no way means they are right.

Sometimes so-called "educated people" have the basic sense of right and wrong and morality totally educated out of them.

Hey Fucko.....

I thought you said you were "out of here" a few posts back?

Too late you just lost another one!. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time..

So touchy. And I was just kidding. I love Canada. Add my truck back!

Years ago as an intern I was covering the Matthew Sheppard killing for a major newspaper and practically was assaulted for asking questions like 'What was he doing picking up straight guys at bars in Wyoming?' and 'Was he forthcoming about being HIV positive?' Questions that none of the rest of the media was asking. I felt I was doing my job trying to get the whole story, and I certainly wasn't on some pro or anti gay crusade. I was quickly removed from the story and had to sit and write obits for the rest of my time there, so I know all about the media catering to certain interests. This certainly was an ugly incident, but I'm not sure it's so rare when you're writing for such a moderate, popular publication.

But I think, most of the time, the best news sources do try and present an accurate presentation of what happened.

That's not true. Editors lean more conservative. Reporters lean more liberal.

That's very true

So... Are you admitting that you have been a victim of the bias of your bosses?

The Matthew Sheppard story was a sad story. It could be argued the biggest case for media bias regarding homosexuals came from the Sheppard story.

Everyone in America knew his name. His story was pushed vigorously by the media.

Does anyone know who Jesse Dirkhising was? His story is perhaps worse than Sheppard's. No one heard about it because it was suppressed by the media. It didn't fit the agenda the media was promoting.

I have to call bullshit on that one...... BIG TIME.

Have you never heard of the NY and LA Times? Their editors and publishers are amongst the most liberal in the media business. The Washington Post runs right behind them. Many other papers are the same. Many papers are owned by a small handful of publishers. Look at what SI Newhouse owns across the country. Those publishers are VERY liberal.

We can argue about this until the cows come home. Maybe your editors are conservative. The majority lean liberal. If your argument were true, we would not have the sickening level of politically correct reporting in this country. The editors would have changed things long ago.

The publishers at the LA Times and NY Times both hire lower editors who tend to be much more conservative than they are. Otherwise you'd have an unbalanced, silly newsroom. The Washington Post, well, they're another story.

What is it with you people. I mean heck - you got those very few facts and now entire institution that been existing for ages is all the sudden bad to the core.

As much as i dont like Catholic church (and i do), i dont think it is to be blamed so solely for that crappy behavior of those few members. Its like condemning entire American society for Washington sniper's activity. Or for Enron. Or lots of other things

You've got to be kidding with that.

Howell Raines was a conservative? In what universe is that a valid statement. Bill Keller and Joseph Lelyveld are conservatives? Holy shit.... you really are in the news making business. You are making all this up from your imagination.

Whatever you do - do not mention the war..

I will drink to that....

Well I've read through some of this, and have the following thoughts:

No one's mind is going to be changed by what they read on the Xterra Owner's Club Forums. It's basically recreational typing.

For every person who feels that gay marriage is ok,a nd doesn't hurt anyone, there is another person who is deeply disturbed by the matter. That's an oversimplification of things, but what I'm getting at is that the two sides don't seem willing or able to understand the views of the other. Just like any other form of trench warfare, this will go on forever until a few brave souls get out of their fixed positions and actually try to see whats going on. (Luckily in this case, unless things get really bad, no one is likely to be mowed down by Maschinengewehr)

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