It is because they start to realize that they are ridiculous and wrong, and start calling people names because the kool-aid that they were given to drink doesn't tell them what they should say when they start to realize that they are being ridiculous.

How does that kool-aid taste? Did you get it from Michael Moore, Kerry, or Clinton. Maybe Dean? The dems lost this election because there is no room for a moderate voice in the dem party. Only room for far left libs.

Cry me river

You loonies went from
1.protesting is aiding the enemy
to
2. Um its media whose aiding the enemy
to
3. Protesting is the same a yelling fire in a theatre
to
4.what? what!? no no were just saying be responsible here. It just common sense

Like rats from a sinking ship your argument has been abandoned.

Didn't you post this already?

That is the natural flow of a debate Weasel. People have been backing up the original idea that the violent protests give comfort to the enemy.

forget it

These are our rights.

Yours and mine.

Defend them, dont just play party politics.

Defend something greater then your stupid politician.

Democracy is too important to be this petty

Ive had enough of this innane conversation

I did defend them, and I will continue to. I will not however give someone a free pass that wants to burn my flag, stomp on it, compare my President with Hilter, and make the enemy think that they actually have support in America, especially when lots of these people are nothing but leaches to society. They sure take the tax payers money when it comes to student loans, welfare, ect. What have they done to earn it. How have they helped their country?

You can protest the government all you want, but if I ever catch anybody doing anything that will bring ill effects on our country, our troops, or our President....then I will do everything and anything in my power to stop them.

Perhaps you should read up on the reasoning behind the "fire" quote?

When I say that you may have a point. Calling someone a communist isn't a bad name to most of these people. Most of them are communists, and would gladly claim as much.

All you have done in this thread is ignore every single point anyone has made. Instead you claim we have all said things we haven't, and act like some pissy little bitch.

No one has said they should be stopped. No one has said they are traitors.

We have said some of their actions give aid to the enemy, whether they know it or not. We have also said most of them are completely uninformed and base all their positions on emotion instead of facts.

You have basically demonstrated the flawed thinking of the left. All emotion, no coherent thought, and repeating things with no bearing on the conversation over and over again hoping they will stick.

We have been getting along just fine for years on here, yelling and cussing at each other. It is fun, and those that contribute enjoy it. If you don't like it, don't read the threads.

Is this a joke, or is it serious? I wouldn't be surprised if it was serious.

http://communistsforkerry.com/

I feel my original statement in this thread bears repeating.:

"They are all too self focused to care what negative effect they are having on the troops and the situation in Iraq."

I try to stay away from these discussions because everyone believes what they believe, and that will not change. However, do not equate these statements:
The first of them causes an immediate threat to the safety and well-being of everyone in the immediate area. The rest are opinions, and nothing more. You may agree with all, some, or none of them. You may or may not think they are "harmful to the country" or "giving aid to the enemy." That is not at issue. What is at issue is that what makes the United States different than the rest of the world is that we CAN say those things. We are free to express our opinions in a manner free from restriction from our government. We are free to hold an opinion that our government has done wrong, and not have to fear the repercussions. Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is not stating an opinion...it is merely inciting public disorder with no conceivable positive result. That is why such exclamations are excluded from the "freedom of expression" definitions.

I think we should encourage everyone who wishes to do so to express their opinions...but just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make you or them right or wrong, and this petty namecalling lowers what began as a debate centered on issues to a childish shoving match.

I'm done. Let the shoving resume.

So is most of the marching and protesting. They ar emerely trying to incite public disorder with no conceivable positive result.

They do not have plausable solutions, if they have a solution at all. They merely want to incite anarchy, and they want to be part of some movement. Hell, many of them just want to get on TV, or start some violence.

Just because you CAN say something, doesnt mean you should say something. That has everything to do with self responsibility and self control.

Weasel (fitting name), I still dont understand why you keep making this a first ammendment issue. I asked a question, you posted what Lincoln and I said, then went on some diatribe without ever proving your point. Ill ask again, where has anyone here said these people should be be not allowed to protest?

You scream and bellow about us wanting to take away first ammendment rights, yet cant point to one instance where we even mentioned it.

I for one, an glad for you and your types, it just makes it so much easier to win in the future. Scream all you want. Its amusing.

What a lot of people don't seem to be able to distingish is citizens saying that these people should sit down and shut up, and the government prohibiting their protesting.

The former illustrates other citizens exercising their rights, by definition, a citizen CANNOT violate another citizen's first ammendment rights. The latter is nothing I've seen anyone calling for in this thread, just Weasel trying to put words in people's mouths.

Turn Your Back on Bush

Good one Wilmac, I know of kids in Highschools that turn their back on the Pledge and the Star Spangled Banner also.

Ah the resident socialist finally chimed in.

I agree.

Why not let them be idiots, then.

It's their right as Americans. If they cross the line, It's law enforcement's job to deal with it. All of the leftists that are crying and raising hell about it are just adding fuel to the fire.

Free speech is a right. Violence is not. Its pretty simple. Just because you are in a mob doesn't mean laws don't apply. If you injure someone or break something you will be charged with assualt or vandalism. Thats what the original topic was, violent protests.

I would think that goes without saying.

These protestors really don't give a flying fuck for much. It probably is a bunch of spoiled rotted brats suckling from dad and mom's money. It is also sad to see fellow Americans protest like this when there are more important things like our troops overseas and some not coming home ever again. I think these protestors would be the same ones that would spit in the faces of returning service men and women. Which is a total sin in my eyes! They have the right to peacefully protest, that is it.

Dan

I say let them protest till the cows come home. It strengthens our democracy. I'm very conservative, yet I love to see the anarchist/hippie/vegatarian whetever types protesting, as it further emphasizes why we live in the greatest country on the face of the planet.

Also, I get a kick out of seeing anarchists band together to protest a government that lets them protest.

A few things I find amazing. Number one, Strider has been here almost as long as me and has fewer posts - haven't run across that one yet - except for people who joined last week. Number 2, everyone keeps referring to the U.S. - I assume - as a democracy. Folk's it's a republic. Democracies don't work any more than true communism or utopias. Democracies are more like, oh, I don't know, the democratic party. Everyone thinks they should have a say in what happens and pretty much pouts when they don't get their way. Number 3, this whole Constitutional ammendment thing. Didn't we learn anything from prohibition? You can't and shouldn't legislate morality. Is it really a threat to your way of life if two guys or gals want to get married? What's next, a push to prevent dog lovers from marrying cat lovers? As a guy, I see it simply as a reduction in the competition. I understand the arguement that perhaps God may not like it, but there are quite a few things we do on a daily basis that probably doesn't sit well either. In fact, if you consider the teachings of all the world's religions, everyone is going to hell. Obviously, something is faulty.
Protestors - who gives a damn? Think about it - it's a bunch of people throwing a collective temper tantrum because things aren't going their way. As far as giving aid the to the enemy, Congress and those wanting to prosecute people actually being shot at for killing an enemy, provide a lot more aid and comfort. If a guy has to worry everytime he thinks about pulling a trigger, the enemy has a chance to escape or worse, shoot back.
What I find to be the funniest statement of the century (so far) is "I (We) support our troops." How? Are you lobbying for the leveling of any city that has terrorist activities? In Vietnam, we used defoliants to deny the enemy a place to hide. Just think of a JDAM as "urban defoliant". Have you advocated unrestricted warfare? The bad guys certainly practice it. Don't give me any bullshit about lowering ourselves to their level either. War is war. If you want to win, you use all your assets. What we are doing now is masturbating in a brothel. The truth of the matter is, we don't want to win. We are trying to simply maintain the status quo - keep the terrorists at bay so we can live our little lives at home. The last time we actually fought with some balls was WWII. We firebombed whole cities. Hell, we used the most powerful weapon in our arsenal to end the war. Now we fight with lip service. I guess I'm drifting into a whole new thread, but I'm getting a bit tired of America bullshitting itself. Americans, as a whole have no clue what goes on outside our borders. Good example: A bunch of female Reps and Senators went to Iraq to help teach female candidates how to run a campaign. They showed up with buttons, signs, and bumper stickers. Ignoring the fact that a campaign button doesn't quite go with the traditional black robes you see women wearing all over Iraq, the biggest campaign problems these women face is staying alive until the election. If I were these women, I'd be a little nervous about trusting the US to provide security if that's how its lawmakers are.

Well said.