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#213555 - 12/01/04 02:26 PM Re: video
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How much ya wanna bet you'll be calling for the president to turn the entire middle east into a wastteland??
I'll take that bet, thank you very much.

(Oh, and I see your wizardry at spelling is as good as mine is at mathematics. :rolleyes: )

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Personally I think getting rid of all the radical Muslims now is preferable to having them come here and kill us later...
Fine, get rid of all the radical muslims. I haven't a problem with that. But to destroy innocent lives just because they happened to be in the wrong spot... that's idiotic.
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#213556 - 12/01/04 02:29 PM Re: video
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...like most people who allow emotions to rule their decisions...
Pot...meet kettle.

(If anything, YOUR view is more based on emotion than anyone else's.)
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#213557 - 12/01/04 02:38 PM Re: video
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Originally posted by spalind:
[b]...like most people who allow emotions to rule their decisions...
Pot...meet kettle.

(If anything, YOUR view is more based on emotion than anyone else's.)[/b]
Negative here Kitty-Cat....has nothing to do with emotions...has everything to do with seeing a problem and finding the most direct way to fix the problem while saving as many American lives as possible...and OK take that bet...we can sit on our hands and act like Clinton....pretend to be upset at being attacked....shoot a few cruise missles at empty targets and the claim that we did something about it...bzzzzzz...sorry, wrong answer....the correct answer is to exterminate the problem like bugs....

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#213558 - 12/01/04 02:39 PM Re: video
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Yes, as a matter of fact I do believe an American life is worth more than Iraqi, Iranian, Russian, Chinese, whatever you wanna put in theres life...evidently then if we are all equal why don't we just roll over and let the radical muslims/communists/anarchists/etc., etc., come in and take over everybody..that would be the most sensible answer right?? NOBODY dies in that case...better yet...why dont we all convert to radical muslims!?!?!?! that would make them happy, stop the violence and everyone could get together 3 times a day, get on our knees, face Mecca and pray and everything would be peachy keen...Jesus Fucking Christ!! Where have all the real men in this country gone?!?!?!?!?
You are really out of control. Whether someones's life is worth more than anothers has nothing to do with what religion they are.

A real man doesn't doesn't handle a problem by killing everything in sight, pussy-ass bullies do.

Better call your Dr., I think your meds ran out.
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#213559 - 12/01/04 02:51 PM Re: video
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Originally posted by spalind:
[b]Yes, as a matter of fact I do believe an American life is worth more than Iraqi, Iranian, Russian, Chinese, whatever you wanna put in theres life...evidently then if we are all equal why don't we just roll over and let the radical muslims/communists/anarchists/etc., etc., come in and take over everybody..that would be the most sensible answer right?? NOBODY dies in that case...better yet...why dont we all convert to radical muslims!?!?!?! that would make them happy, stop the violence and everyone could get together 3 times a day, get on our knees, face Mecca and pray and everything would be peachy keen...Jesus Fucking Christ!! Where have all the real men in this country gone?!?!?!?!?
You are really out of control. Whether someones's life is worth more than anothers has nothing to do with what religion they are.

A real man doesn't doesn't handle a problem by killing everything in sight, pussy-ass bullies do.

Better call your Dr., I think your meds ran out.[/b]
It has nothing to do with religion, or skin color, or political affiliation, or wether they have sex with animals or not....simply has to do with the fact that they want to kill Americans...and therefore wether they live or die is not something I am going to be concerned with....

Well, hate to dissapoint you all but I have to go away for a day on business up to Maine so will be unable to respond for a little bit....but cheer up!!! You have all proven why America gets weaker and weaker every year and closer and closer to being on par with the wonderful 3rd world countries and their people that you seem to believe are as valuable as we are...

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#213560 - 12/01/04 02:56 PM Re: video
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What a fuckin' waste of oxygen.

Suggestion: since this insane asshole is leaving for a few days, let's take this opportunity to let let this thread die. This guy simply cannot be reasoned with.

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#213561 - 12/01/04 02:56 PM Re: video
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Originally posted by spalind:
It has nothing to do with religion, or skin color, or political affiliation, or wether they have sex with animals or not....simply has to do with the fact that they want to kill Americans...and therefore wether they live or die is not something I am going to be concerned with....

Well, hate to dissapoint you all but I have to go away for a day on business up to Maine so will be unable to respond for a little bit....but cheer up!!! You have all proven why America gets weaker and weaker every year and closer and closer to being on par with the wonderful 3rd world countries and their people that you seem to believe are as valuable as we are...
Be careful, I sure hope you don't get hit by a car or anything on your way to Maine. If you are on the side of the road dying and you need help, I hope the one person that stops to help you is an Iraqi with family back in Iraq. You can tell them how bad you want to Nuke the whole country and kill everyone. I am sure they will be happy to place a value on your life, just as you have on theirs. [Finger]

edited to add:

Whoops, was posting at the same time.
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#213562 - 12/01/04 03:16 PM Re: video
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Originally posted by spalind:
Yes, as a matter of fact I do believe an American life is worth more than Iraqi, Iranian, Russian, Chinese, whatever you wanna put in theres life...evidently then if we are all equal why don't we just roll over and let the radical muslims/communists/anarchists/etc., etc., come in and take over everybody..that would be the most sensible answer right?? NOBODY dies in that case...better yet...why dont we all convert to radical muslims!?!?!?! that would make them happy, stop the violence and everyone could get together 3 times a day, get on our knees, face Mecca and pray and everything would be peachy keen...Jesus Fucking Christ!! Where have all the real men in this country gone?!?!?!?!?
Your rants are really entertaining.

So if an American life is more valuable, when exactly does that value kick in? Someone is worth less until he/she comes to America and earns citizenship? In the words of Charlton Heston in the old 'I love you, man' beer commercials: "Son, you frighten me."

Oddly, I agree with many of your points IF they're applied to enemy combatants. Where we differ is in your "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" mentality, and that most people feel some empathy for those guys getting blasted if they happened to be schmucks who got forcibly "volunteered" for Saddam's army. They're combatants, so they're fair game, but it's a shame if they got drilled through no fault of their own.

Can't remember who, but someone stated that the U.S. can't just sit by while tyrants and warlords slaughter innocent people. We do just that every day. In the end it's about money. To cite one small example, if the world's largest oil or natual gas reserve was discovered in Burundi, our government would suddenly become far more interested in making some of this right:

// Burundi: War Crimes May Go Unpunished; New Report Documents Extent of Civilian Suffering
(New York, December 22, 2003) — The Burundian military and armed opposition forces have committed serious war crimes, including civilian killings and rapes, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. The recent political agreement between the major parties in Burundi’s ten-year civil war should not have granted immunity from prosecution for such blatant and widespread crimes. //

Did you know there's been a 10-year civil war in Burundi? Me neither, until I did a web search for an example. I don't like the fact that money determines where we're willing to enforce what's right, or that we send our service men and women to die overseas at all if our country isn't directly at risk. Until now, our country didn't start wars and invade other countries.

And BTW, what about the part of the video where they smoke the wounded guy? Killing enemy wounded has to be against the rules, right?

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#213563 - 12/01/04 03:39 PM Re: video
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They don't show enough of the video to determine the whole story. It would be against the rules of engagment if the wounded guy served no threat to anybody in the vicinity. I think that those Iraqi's were attacked because they were attacking a convoy, base, or checkpoint. The helo took them out from long range to stop them from attacking, I think.
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#213564 - 12/01/04 04:00 PM Re: video
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That is because nothing goes on in Berundi that has any effect on our country or way of life. It sucks, but thats the way the world works. If you dont think that when an oil shiek in the middle east farts it affects our economy, you are fooling yourself. We must pay special attention to what happens over there. I feel bad for the Berundians(?), but you have to pick your fights.
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#213565 - 12/01/04 05:08 PM Re: video
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Wow he is way out there now I refuse to go any further with him. I agree lets let the thread die.
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#213566 - 12/01/04 05:19 PM Re: video
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Originally posted by MBFlyerfan:
That is because nothing goes on in Berundi that has any effect on our country or way of life. It sucks, but thats the way the world works. If you dont think that when an oil shiek in the middle east farts it affects our economy, you are fooling yourself. We must pay special attention to what happens over there. I feel bad for the Berundians(?), but you have to pick your fights.
That's my point. Our troops are dying for oil.

Anyway, you guys are right, no more on this.

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#213567 - 12/01/04 05:24 PM Re: video
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Its all about resources.
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#213568 - 12/01/04 07:02 PM Re: video
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no it's all about Xterra's
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#213569 - 12/01/04 07:04 PM Re: video
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Maybe some day we'll be able to build bombs that can fly into a terrorist camp and conduct extensive interviews to see if the person it's about to blow up is actually a terrorist or just a nun riding a unicorn who happens to be photographing baskets of kittens in a terrorist camp. Until then, the best advice I can give innocent people is to stay a blast radius away from anyone making video tapes about how much they want to destroy America.

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#213570 - 13/01/04 10:18 AM Re: video
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[QB]Maybe some day we'll be able to build bombs that can fly into a terrorist camp and conduct extensive interviews to see if the person it's about to blow up is actually a terrorist or just a nun riding a unicorn who happens to be photographing baskets of kittens in a terrorist camp. QB]
[Spit] [Spit] [Spit]

Now THAT'S what you call funny!

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#213571 - 13/01/04 11:50 AM Re: video
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sorry...didnt die in Maine...though tomorrow I would have had a better shot at that...-9 with a wind chill of -45...pretty damn cold....I agree...let it die....we will all just have to agree to disagree on the point of wether we should have just premptivly nuked Iraq...I am heartend however to see that most of you support the troops and desire and end to regimes like Saddams, though I cant agree on the "blood for oil" opinions of some....doesnt it scare many of you that we'll probly end up voting for the same person come November??

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#213572 - 13/01/04 12:08 PM Re: video
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doesnt it scare many of you that we'll probly end up voting for the same person come November??
Mostly it scares me that there isn't a worthy candidate from any side.
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#213573 - 13/01/04 12:24 PM Re: video
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I don't really see what the problem is with voting for Bush. He's really a terrific President, and he's a really great guy, and just a terrific President...

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#213574 - 14/01/04 10:44 AM Re: video
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Question, how many people have served in the military and of those who have, have you been in combat. Not the kind of combat the REMFs saw in Saudi ( the first go around) but the face to face shit?
Four years in the Army I saw more than I ever care to see again. MY combat experience pales in comparison to the heros of WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam. I new a sorry sap in the army, he was a fucking new guy, he claimed he was in a gang in Cali. talked alot of shit prayed for war type of dick.
Well the sorry bastard got what he wished for, shortly after he came to our unit we were sent to Somalia. THe "shit storm " hit shortly after our arrival and where was Billy Bad Ass from Cali.?, cowering like a prison bitch.
For those who think war is cool, we should kill them all, sure there are some that need to die. There are others who want nothing more to do with war than any other person saine person.
For those who havent seen it and want an idea about how violent people are in war go to Ogerish.com and watch the propaganda video, it will turn your stomach.
While in Bosnia we found Mass graves containing bodies from old men to infants and everything in between.
Sorry to ramble but the shit sucks and I pray my kids dont have to see or experience it.

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#213575 - 14/01/04 10:59 AM Re: video
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is that sight a porn sight? i went to it and was brought to some sort of porn newsletter?

not what i was expecting from this discussion...

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#213576 - 14/01/04 11:05 AM Re: video
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THats funny considering the topic. OGERISH.com I just tried it and I had to go to my home page then typed it in small case, im not sure if it is case sensitive. once at the site go under search and put in propaganda and look for "WAR". What should follow is VERY disturbing.

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#213577 - 14/01/04 11:18 AM Re: video
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ok when i enter that address, it auto switches me to porno.net, whats the deal? am i the only one that this is happening to?

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#213578 - 14/01/04 11:22 AM Re: video
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I tried it from THis page and the same thing happened to me so I went to my home page and it worked.

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#213579 - 14/01/04 11:30 AM Re: video
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http://www.ogrish.com/index2.php?search=propaganda

is this the sight?

i dont know if this is the right sight, but the people that make comments on this sight are really fucked up.

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