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#212450 - 12/06/03 04:09 PM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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If it weren't for belief and faith, why even bother going on?
Because I am. Therefore I will spend my days, filling my family and loved ones with as much happiness and support that I can muster until I finally fizzle out and expire. I need no faiths or beliefs apart from the confidence of my own being to sustain me in that endeavor. What fuels that desire? Something as simple as an acknowledgement or smile of apreciation(sp) from a loved one, or the return of happiness and support from a loved one. That's all the fuel I need.
Well put!

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#212451 - 12/06/03 06:22 PM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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[b]People have right to stand for their beliefs 8)
People need to realize their beliefs are complete bullshit and cause nothing but death and suffering.[/b]
More people have died because of their religous beliefs then all the wars combined!!!
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#212452 - 12/06/03 09:12 PM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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More people have died because of their religous beliefs then all the wars combined!!!
That's wrong. Communism and Socialism are responsible for many more deaths. Easily over 100 million in the 20th century alone (probably more). That's more than all the "religious" murders in history combined.

It's interesting too that commies and socialists are almost always atheists too.

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#212453 - 13/06/03 12:33 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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More people have died because of their religous beliefs then all the wars combined!!!
That's wrong. Communism and Socialism are responsible for many more deaths. Easily over 100 million in the 20th century alone (probably more). That's more than all the "religious" murders in history combined.
Rubbish. Where you got numbers like that?
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#212454 - 13/06/03 02:55 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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The conflict in the Middle East is over land, not religion. Not every Israeli is Jewish, and not everyone from Palestine is a Muslim. It is over land, and land only. You can put any twist you want it, religion included, but it is still land.

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#212455 - 13/06/03 03:03 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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Revolutionary War not about religion. War of 1812 not about religion. Mexican War not about religion. Civil War not about religion. Spanish-American War not about religion. World War I not about religion. World War II not about religion. Korean War not about religion. Vietnam War not about religion. Gulf Wars not about religion. Not many other wars were over religion. Other than the Crusades and the minor wars the French fought, name some more. Were do you get these statistics that more people were killed in wars over religion than any other?

Really, post your facts.

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#212456 - 13/06/03 03:06 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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The conflict in the Middle East is over land, not religion. Not every Israeli is Jewish, and not everyone from Palestine is a Muslim. It is over land, and land only. You can put any twist you want it, religion included, but it is still land.
Who the hell would want the Gaza Strip and the West Bank ? It's a strip of dirt the size of Rhode Island.
No one fights over dirt unless it has oil under it, or has religious significance.
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#212457 - 13/06/03 03:10 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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Then again, the US is just as fucked up when Wal*Mart starts censoring magazines (like Cosmopolitan and Glamour) because they have words like 'orgasm' on the cover, which offends people who only fuck in the missionary position with the lights off.
So, you would be really proud of showing your little girl or boy those magazines and having them practicing what they read and see on those magazines? Just because you think you are holier than thou in your quest for porn, doesn't mean the rest of us join in your perversions. Walmart is doing the right thing. They are run by a good group of family oriented values. Have some kids Ian, and see your world and belief structure change in the blink of an eye.

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#212458 - 13/06/03 03:12 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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[b]The conflict in the Middle East is over land, not religion. Not every Israeli is Jewish, and not everyone from Palestine is a Muslim. It is over land, and land only. You can put any twist you want it, religion included, but it is still land.
Who the hell would want the Gaza Strip and the West Bank ? It's a strip of dirt the size of Rhode Island.
No one fights over dirt unless it has oil under it, or has religious significance.[/b]
Having religious significance is totally different than fighting because of religion. Who cares if they have oil. Lets take our money out of there and give it to Russia for all their oil. Money is the root of all evil, not religion. Wars are fought over money, land, power, and greed.

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#212459 - 13/06/03 05:15 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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So, you would be really proud of showing your little girl or boy those magazines and having them practicing what they read and see on those magazines? Just because you think you are holier than thou in your quest for porn, doesn't mean the rest of us join in your perversions. Walmart is doing the right thing. They are run by a good group of family oriented values. Have some kids Ian, and see your world and belief structure change in the blink of an eye.
I don't know any "little boys" who read Cosmo, teenage girls are the only ones I ever see picking up those types of magazines. You don't have a problem with teenage girls learning about their own sexual idenity, do you? What is so dirty about the word "orgasm" anyway? It's a normal human response for those who are not sexually repressed. Are you ashamed you didn't know what the word was until picking up a copy yourself? Are Christians even allowed to have orgasms? Should Walmart also ban magazines that reference the word "penis"? I sorry, but I have a son, and I have no problem with him knowing what the name of his own body part is and what it's function is. No wonder why you Christians have so many issues...

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#212460 - 13/06/03 05:17 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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Originally posted by xoc:
[b]
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Originally posted by off2cjb:
[b]The conflict in the Middle East is over land, not religion. Not every Israeli is Jewish, and not everyone from Palestine is a Muslim. It is over land, and land only. You can put any twist you want it, religion included, but it is still land.
Who the hell would want the Gaza Strip and the West Bank ? It's a strip of dirt the size of Rhode Island.
No one fights over dirt unless it has oil under it, or has religious significance.[/b]
Having religious significance is totally different than fighting because of religion. Who cares if they have oil. Lets take our money out of there and give it to Russia for all their oil. Money is the root of all evil, not religion. Wars are fought over money, land, power, and greed.[/b]
Are you saying that religion has not been apart of war?
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#212461 - 13/06/03 08:09 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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Originally posted by xoc:
[b]Then again, the US is just as fucked up when Wal*Mart starts censoring magazines (like Cosmopolitan and Glamour) because they have words like 'orgasm' on the cover, which offends people who only fuck in the missionary position with the lights off.
So, you would be really proud of showing your little girl or boy those magazines and having them practicing what they read and see on those magazines? Just because you think you are holier than thou in your quest for porn, doesn't mean the rest of us join in your perversions. Walmart is doing the right thing. They are run by a good group of family oriented values. Have some kids Ian, and see your world and belief structure change in the blink of an eye.[/b]
I wouldn't let my kids near a fucking Wal-Mart . . .

You ever been in there on Sunday?

Lots of good, family-oriented (Uncle Daddy springs to mind) cyclops' in there . . .

Nothing says celebrating a Sabbath like taking the fam-damily to Wally world on Sunday to buy a gross of new, one-size-fits-none wife-beaters . . .
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#212462 - 13/06/03 08:12 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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Are Christians even allowed to have orgasms?
No.

Maybe that answers the majority of our questions . . .

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Should Walmart also ban magazines that reference the word "penis"?
Yes.

No more New England Journal of Medicine, no more JAMA . . .

Wait, what the fuck am I thinking, this is Wal-Mart . . .

Why do they even have magazines? Who the hell is reading them?

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#212463 - 13/06/03 08:12 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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Originally posted by xoc:
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Originally posted by off2cjb:
[b]The conflict in the Middle East is over land, not religion. Not every Israeli is Jewish, and not everyone from Palestine is a Muslim. It is over land, and land only. You can put any twist you want it, religion included, but it is still land.
Who the hell would want the Gaza Strip and the West Bank ? It's a strip of dirt the size of Rhode Island.
No one fights over dirt unless it has oil under it, or has religious significance.[/b]
It had strategic importance for the Israel, as it open walk nearly to the heart of country. Hence they didnt want to give it up. Now its nearly worthless - thats why Sharon speaking about giving it up.
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#212464 - 13/06/03 09:35 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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i am away from here for one day and this is what I find.

I have been so encouraged by these peace initiatives until Hamas ( Hamas is a terrorist organization, you see there IS other terrorists out there besides Al Queda you liberal freaks! ) started getting into the act.

I believe it is time for The US to take its thumb off of Israel and let them go and do what we here in America seem unwilling to do. That is, destroy every last one of the people who want to drive Israel into the sea.

If anything, the Palestinians and Muslim countries should be thanking the US everyday for keeping Irael from going in and anihilating every last one of them.

In ten years or less, this country is going to be involved in a full-scale war with the so-called "Muslim" nations of this world. They will try to sell it as a jihad, we will be protecting ourselves. So why not let Israel do it now? If something is not done, the terrorism will NEVER stop, here, or in Israel. The Israelis know where they are, The Massad makes the CIA look like the Mayberry Police Dept. I say lets start lobbying the government to allow the Israeli dog to hunt.

It Us or them people, I would prefer it to be us, Liberals, Canadians, and all. wink
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#212465 - 13/06/03 11:19 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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So, you would be really proud of showing your little girl or boy those magazines and having them practicing what they read and see on those magazines?
Yes I would. I would like my children to learn what things like orgasm and masturbation are at a young age so they will be informed about natural things that happen to the human body.

I'm sure your son gets hit with a belt every time he has impure thoughts of playing with his dick.
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#212466 - 13/06/03 11:39 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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Edited --- Man, after re-reading that, I really would have opened myself up to some comments smile Not this time Graham! Not this time!
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#212467 - 13/06/03 12:31 PM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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Should Walmart also ban magazines that reference the word "penis"? I sorry, but I have a son, and I have no problem with him knowing what the name of his own body part is and what it's function is.
Is that what you have at your house, penis magazines? Is this part of the liberal deviant in training program? I'm sorry you have a son too. I feel sorry for any kid whose parents don't care about or want to protect the innocence of childhood.

At what age will you start explaining the penis to him? You might as well start at 4 years old. That way he can be one of the cool "progressive" kids in kindergarten. After all you want him to impress the teachers in the public school you will be sending him. They start teaching tolerance and acceptance of deviant lifestyles in public schools at an early age. I'm sure you want him to get a good mark and have a thorough knowledge of the subject matter. I can only imagine your embarassment when socializing with your liberal friends if your son recieved a failing grade in "Bathhouse 101".

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#212468 - 13/06/03 12:34 PM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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Edited --- Man, after re-reading that, I really would have opened myself up to some comments smile Not this time Graham! Not this time!
What you, your wife, and the belt do in your own spare time is your call, man . . .

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#212469 - 13/06/03 02:30 PM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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I can only imagine your embarassment when socializing with your liberal friends if your son recieved a failing grade in "Bathhouse 101".
Ah, the deuch bag from NY chimes in. Still taking pot shots at others family members I see. If any one on this board takes the cock, it's you closet case. Your the one here who makes the most references to homosexuals and their "deviant" acts. Only fags like yourself thinks when a young boy learns about their penis and what other functions it has, it's time to "test" it out with other men. That's your private fantasy, so please keep it to yourself. In the future, if you got anything to say to me personally, be a man and direct it to me only, and leave my family out of it, pussy.
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#212470 - 13/06/03 05:03 PM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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I am scared as hell. I agree with Sean AND Ian at the same time. [Finger]

I think kids should know about sex. For a few reasons. Making it a dirty evil thing will just fuck them up and make them feel like an outcast when they figure out what masturbations is. My family treated it that way, and I thought I was some kind of 'deviant' for pulling on the 'ol pud when I was young. I had no idea that it was normal.

They are going to hear about it from friends anyway, and there is no telling what kind of BS they are going to 'learn' that way. Isn't it better for them to hear it from the parents, with correct information first?

I think it can protect them somewhat from the real deviants. The child molesters in the world. If they know for sure what the person is trying to do, and they know that it is not their fault ahead of time, the may not end up in the spiral of shame, that so many molested kids go through. They think it is there fault. At the very least I would tell mine, that if anyone touches you in these ways, or tries to get you to touch them tell me. You won't be in any trouble at all, and we will protect you from them.

I am not saying that we should show our kids pornos or have sex in front of them. I just feel that giving the kid the knowledge puts them at a very high advantage. If your religious beliefs dictate that sex before marriage is wrong, make that part of what you teach your child. Making it the evil dirty thing is just going to fuck them up in the long run.
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#212471 - 13/06/03 06:40 PM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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[b]Edited --- Man, after re-reading that, I really would have opened myself up to some comments smile Not this time Graham! Not this time!
What you, your wife, and the belt do in your own spare time is your call, man . . .

No judgement here . . .[/b]
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#212472 - 14/06/03 08:10 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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What I want to know is how the hell can you idiots laugh turn every Political debate into a sexual deviant debate, and every sexual debate into a family bashing contest.

2001Frontier was right on the money about sexuality.

The US has to put it to the UN. We pool our forces now, US, France, Britain, Israel, Palestinians, Muslims, everyone. Militarily hunt down every known terrorist cell in the world. Whoever doesnt want to be involved is considered a terrorist supporter. Then we can see where all parties sit.
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#212473 - 14/06/03 11:03 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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I thought this thread was about the Middle East? Silly me, I treat most threads like any book I've ever read; I read the last page first.
I agree. My kids will know all about sex by the time they are 10. Sex is good, sex is bad. We make decisions, these are the outcomes. It's better to be prepared for life than have it sneak up on you and ruin your day.
Some quotes that relate...
"I asked my wife if she wanted a third kid. She said she didn't think she could go through the conception again".
"I need a license to catch fish, but any moron can have a kid?"
BTW, how did this thread turn to sex? [Freak]
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#212474 - 15/06/03 02:18 AM Re: Peaceplan goes down the toilet
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[b]I can only imagine your embarassment when socializing with your liberal friends if your son recieved a failing grade in "Bathhouse 101".
Ah, the deuch bag from NY chimes in. Still taking pot shots at others family members I see. If any one on this board takes the cock, it's you closet case. Your the one here who makes the most references to homosexuals and their "deviant" acts. Only fags like yourself thinks when a young boy learns about their penis and what other functions it has, it's time to "test" it out with other men. That's your private fantasy, so please keep it to yourself. In the future, if you got anything to say to me personally, be a man and direct it to me only, and leave my family out of it, pussy.[/b]
If you're that free about your sexual thinking and raising your children that way, then bring them to the next X function so we can bend them all over the hood of your truck. Maybe even you can charge a few dollars to watch us. You too Ian, bring your wife along and pass her down the line. Bring your free thiking perversion to center stage and wear what you believe on your sleeve. You are both valueless and moralless human beings. I have pity for your children Sean, I really do.

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