lol... you know, That would be funny if you had paid attention.

I don't support her, I thought I was clear about that... I do however hate W.

right thats why i said "leave his personal issues asside"

from my point of view... My salary increased 5 fold under clinton.... and has dropped by 80% since Bush took office... back to its pre-clinton position.

that is what I base my opinion of his presidency on... My bottom line, thats it.

Got to stop here and ask why is that? Has your site pulled in less money since GWB took office?

anyway, let's continue...

Damn dude, guess I'm not understanding this more clearly. Sound kinda like you're campaigning for her to me. :rolleyes:

Thats interesting, because I am making more money than I ever have. I have been able to buy a nice truck, and a house, and am more secure than I have ever been financially, all under Dubyas watch.

Hmm, it says "web designer" for your occupation in your profile. The whole web thing in the mid to late '90s was artificial, overhyped and unrealistic. Heck, people commented on it while it was all happening. In fact, I had several friends make fun of me for not jumping ship and getting in the "web flow". Well, I got the last laugh - my more traditional employment not only still exists, but I am making more now than I every have. Whatever short term gains they may have made over me in those couple of years have since eroded....

As much as they would like to take credit, presidents simply don't influance that micro a level of the economy (neither does congress) - at least not in a deliberate and planned way. Indeed, they typically screw it up, and the whole Web thing was going south before W took control.

If that's all your basing your guage of a president on, then you aren't with reality - you need to take a long, honest look at what was really going on in the late '90s...

I thought you might have insinuated that fact. I didn't want to be the first to bring up these allegations.

Yes, it is rumored she had a lesbian affair with her former Press Secretary Lisa Caputo who is a devout lesbian. She is also responsible for the questionable number of lesbian Clinton appointees during that administration. Namely Donna Shalala, the former Secretary of Health and Human Services. Janet Reno is also a feminist and supposed lesbian. The administration was also riddled with lesbians and homosexuals in middle management positions. I think it would be safe to say a Hillary administration would be rife with radical feminists, lesbians and homosexuals.

Most of whom would be socialists and marxists just like her.

Todrick..... You are silly for gauging politics on your wallet. You know the old expression.. "a fool and his money". Will this logic lead you to elect people who will never allow you to keep any money in the first place? Wake up.

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Kerensky.... You are clueless as usual. Dean, Kerry and the other Dems don't stand a chance against Bush.... regardless of his "so-called" low poll numbers. The majority of the electorate doesn't like any of the Dem candidates. Hillary smells a chance and will pounce. I think she actually plans on a Democratic Convention draft if she doesn't outright announce soon. She has until December officially.

Yes... Nader is going to run again.

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Graham.... You surprised me. I think you are right. Kudo's for some clarity on this issue.
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Aqua.... Always good to hear from you. You are wrong on one point. Hillary takes no side on the Islamists. If they are willing to give to her campaign, she will take it. She lied about $50,000 given to her Senate campaign from the American Muslim Council ( a now known terrorist front group and fundraiser). She lied on her FEC filing and got caught. She claimed it was a typo. She cannot be trusted in the least in the war against terrorism. She hates traditional America as much as the Islamists do.

A Hillary admin would be even much more adverse to confrontation on a foreign front than Bill's admin was. Hillary's battles are here in America. To her, middle class America is the enemy. That's who she will wage war against.

EDIT: Note that if the Republicans have any balls they would expose the amount of Islamic money that is going to be poured into the Democratic 2004 presidential campaigns and the DNC. They feel the Dems are on their side and they are right.

Even if Lieberman ends up the candidate?

um no, its cause I was director of IT for a dot.com during Clinton and now I'm not... simple as that... the economy tanked under Bush... or were you not paying attention.

Damn dude, guess I'm not understanding this more clearly. Sound kinda like you're campaigning for her to me. :rolleyes: [/QB][/QUOTE]

Ok, since you quoted it. I'll just cut and paste it...

Maybe a reading comprehension class is in order. I do not like Hillary. but honestly, I would vote for you before I voted for bush, Even though judging by this thread I think its obvious you have the attention span of a gnat

Yeah... Him too. He doesn't control where the DNC gets all it's cash from.

He also kissed up to the Clintons and their placating of Palestinian terrorism. The scene of Hillary hugging Arafat's wife that was released to the world didn't bother him all that much.

He is a Democrat and a politician well before he is a Jew. He's proved that.

no... its more than that.

but thats the simplest.

other issues I have(and just up front, I have no intention of debating all these issues, I am merely posting them to point out that I do indeed have valid reasons to dislike W)

-His past work experience hardly makes him qualified to be the leader of the country. basically a string a bankrupt businesses and poor business decisions.

-Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes.

-Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

-Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

-Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

-Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

-First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

-First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

-After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

-Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

-In his first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

-Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

-Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

-Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

-Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

-Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

-Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

-Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

-Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

-Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

-Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

-most secretive and un-accountable presidency of any in US history.

-Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest', Condoleeza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

-Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

-Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

-Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

-Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

-First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

-First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

-Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

-Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

-Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

-Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

-All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

-Biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

-Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

-First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

-Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

-With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

-Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

-First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

-Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

-Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

-So Far, Failed to fulfill his pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

-Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. So Far, no leads and zero suspects.

-In the 2 years following the 911 attacks he successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

-At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

-AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

-Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

-All records of his tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to his fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

-All records of any SEC investigations into his insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

-All minutes of meetings for any public corporation that he served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

-Any records or minutes from meetings he (or Cheney) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.

so yeah, I only dislike him for a couple reasons. but the simplest and most cut and dry is the my personal finances

Hey Todrick....

Why don't you at least give a plug for the site you copied and pasted that stuff from. MOST OF IT IS BULLSHIT AND PURE PROPAGANDA..!!

Also.... The popular vote for president doesn't mean shit. You only have to win the electoral vote. It's been that way in America since it's inception. Why is this such a big deal? Do Democrats go to different schools or something?

the electoral college system is flawed... obviously...

"america" never elected Bush... and thats not right I have hated the EC since before Bush... its an antiquated system from days before technology had the means to come up with a better solution

The economy has been pretty good to me the last couple of years.

Todrick, I dislike Bush as much as the next guy, but that list of stuff you posted - a lot of it is complete BS, and obviously so.

Which points are untrue?

(I'm not trying to be snarky, this is a serious question. I see a lot of folks supporting Bush, but they never seem to come right out and say exactly why.)

Uhhh, yes, yes I am.

Here's to the popular vote, the most ridiculous wording on the planet:



Election Map Details

Yeah, Gore won the big major cities were most of the artsy fartsy, porno making, crime families, child molesters, abortion clinics, murderers, lazy welfare mothers, poor, minority, etc... reside. Yeah, they got the popular vote alright.

Yes. Wasn't it their intention to keep large concentrations of people in small geographical areas from having all of the political power? IE Large cities.

Artsy fartsy? I keep forgetting who I'm dealing with here. Someone uncouth and unsophisticated as yourself wouldn't know good "Art" if it jumped up and bit you on the ass.

I bet this is about as exquisite and imaginative as you get (nice costume by the way):



As for the rest of your comments, do you have something against the poor or the minorities of this country?

:rolleyes:

Umm, how about a hell yes! Especially the ones that 1)Do nothing for the economy 2)Are here illegally 3)Live off of the hard working taxpayer 4)Breed ignorance. I could go on and on, but I think you get the point. Or at least I hope you do.

Sean, you ought to write for the NY Times, LA Times, or CNN.

Contrary to popular belief, not all minorities or poorer classes of this country: do nothing for the economy, are here illegally, live of the hard working taxpayer, or breed ignorance. The only ignorance here is your comment.

:rolleyes: