OH I am sure she would open her mouth about it. BUT as usual I would back hand her trap shut. I will not put up with a woman with a smart mouth.

AAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......

That doesn't even make sense. I could be next? Next for what? What a bafoon.

Next, it could happen to you and your family. Then what are you going to say?

I am going to say you are a moron.

It can't happen to my family. My guns are locked up. No I am not worried about the local teen safe-cracker either.

Weird this happened to a friend of mine today.

http://www.duathlon.com/articles/3958

Fucking little bastards.

It is the parent's responsiblity to teach their kids right from wrong, as well as setting the example they want followed. If a kid wants to hurt someone, they will. It doesn't have to be with a gun - it can be with a kitchen fork, a piece of glass, a knife, a pencil - I mean come on. We can't just ban everything that could be used to hurt someone. Hold people accountable for their actions.

It is the person w/ the weapon that's the problem, not the weapon.

Just the other week there was a kid (18 I think) who decided to run someone down in his car and killed them. I think we should all band together and ban cars. They kill people. :rolleyes:

I heard this one too many times on this thread already. When my gun is able to take me to work or bake a pie, I'll admit that your argument makes sense. Until then find something better to compare to a device that has no other utility but kill ( be it people or animals ). ( And turning on the TV Homer Simpsons style does not count as an example of what guns can be used for )

Again, its not my kids I'm worried about, its yours and all the neighboors ones. If what you are worried about is home invasion, take the money you would spend on a gun and buy a lock for your door.

A lock for your door. That is awesome! You have an oven in your car? :rolleyes:

The parents were idiots.

Sorry Fronti if I wasn't meticulous enough for you.

Crazy canucks! I guess that's what they use for an extra heater in the winter??

Bunch of weirdos!

But seriously...

I guess my Machete collection should be "banned", then. I've got 34 of them hanging on the walls... From Honduras, Nicaragua, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, and Bolivia. I get one (sometimes 2) everytime I go. They serve absolutely no purpose. And yeah, if some little brat were to grab one, it'd take their head off in a hurry.

Guess that should be illegal.

I guess my bow should be illegal, too.

Good thing I got rid of all the black powder I had sitting around the house... Not sure what that was *supposed* to be used for, but it sure made a helluva' bang when it went... Probably a good idea no kid got 'ahold of it... Probably wouldn't have killed 'em, unless of course they put it in a little pipe w/ some nice end-caps on it...

Come on. This is getting retarded.

As a hunter/gun owner/anti gun law person who now has a 19month old daughter, let me way in.

I've been around guns my entire life. Shot my first .22 at age 6. Began hunting at 13.

I had shot and learned how to clean everything from .22's to 30.06's by 16.

Guns are tools like anything else. Learn how to use it, maintain it, and respect it, and teach your own to do the same and you'll be okay. I'm more worried about my daughter having an accident in the kitchen than I am about her getting a hold of my firearm, and when she is old enough(by my judging) I'll teach her all about it, because by then, I'll be more worried about boys getting a hold of my daughter.

In the grand scheme of things to worry about, a handgun in the home is not even on the radar.

Is that right or wrong? I don't really care, it's right in my home and that's all that matters to me.

As to xterrapin and SF banning guns. What is that going to accomplish? It really is so simple. The criminal element in the city will still have them, and those that refuse to give them up will become criminal. How's that a solution? How about our justice system actually following through with upholding the laws in place to begin with?

I'm not the one pushing for a ban on everything, you are.

When is the last time you heard a 'leftie' yell lets ban all guns and knifes !?

And last time I saw a machete at work, it was for cuting sugar cane, so it does have a utility. So don't be banning those.

Just to shut everyone up.

Please see: http://www.xterraownersclub.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=008932

enough said.....

Uhm notsomuch.

Just to keep everyone talking:

"Of the murders in 2003 for which law enforcement identified the type of weapon, nearly 71 percent (70.9) involved firearms. Offenders used knives or cutting instruments in 13.4 percent of murders; personal weapons such as hands, fists, and feet in 7.0 percent of murders; and blunt objects in 4.8 percent of murders. Four percent of murders were committed with other types of weapons"

source: FBI Releases Crime Statistics for 2003

One case does not an argument make.

My post was more in the line of thinking that a child can get his/her hands on anything and become a danger. It's a whole different ballgame with teens/adults, though those numbers still pale in comparison to deaths in the US by automobile accident, alcohol, drug use, etc... and since over 70% where male according to those stats, then the problem is clear. It's not guns at all, it's testosterone.

Violent offenders need to have their bag removed.

I like it.

I never kept gins in the house and that was only 'cause I wouldn't have been able to sleep knowing my ex wife would have had access to 'em!

The reason why I posted this and the article that Samueul quoted was to pretty much point out that today the discipline of kids is way not the same as it used to be. I may be young (only 21 ) and not know a few things about this life but I can surely attest to how kids are raised these days.

One day standing inside McDonalds I overhear the follwing. I'll stay as close to the quote as I can from memory.

Mom: "What do you want to eat?"
Kid: "...a double cheeseburger"
Mom to employee: "Can we have a cheesburger and a small coke?"
Kid (something along the lines of): "Mom, I told you DOUBLE cheesburger!"

Fuck, I would have slapped my kid pretty had if he would disrespect me like that and yell at me!? All she did was ask the employee for a double cheeseburger and said nothing to the kid.

Parents are so much more lenient thse days. I saw that when I worked for Kmart 4-5 years ago and I still see it to this day. Parents often act like they are there to serve the kind and please them no matter what.

Don't get me wrong, not all parents a like that, just a few that I have seen. There have always been 'bad' parents but instances like the original article and such show just how much discipline, respect, values, control and responsibility have lost their value. Someone on here said that kids used to mature earlier and that's true because they were held accountable and had to help out family since early age because their help was needed and expected.

I love it when people pull that BS...yea, the brits aren't coming, but all of those ghetto babies that welfare supports are...and when they step in my home, and intend on doing my family and I harm, they're going to leave looking like swiss cheese.

What do you do with all of your tonic then?

Are you being serious? Did you just say "ghetto babies"???

1) It's impossible to ban guns. Whether it's a good idea or not is irrelevant because it could never happen.
2) Each person gets to decide whether they want a gun in their household and then hopefully be responsible with that decision as it effects their kids/family. Teaching your kids gun safety is no different then teaching them not to steal, lie, etc..

The whole "be responsible" thing means doing your best to keep guns away from kids until they understand how to use them and what kind of damage they can do(preventing accidents).

If you have the kind of kid that WANTS to shoot someone chances are they would find a way to kill even without a gun.

Guns aren't going away, that decision was made many moons ago. The best we can do now is prevent accidents by teaching/training/locking.