AAAAHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!!! A gun defense blog?? You seriously expect me to buy that??? AAAAHHHH HAHAHAHA!!!

Yes. Because it proves you're an idiot.

But I guess you've answered this age-long question though, with a resounding, "NO!"...

But since I wouldn't want you to read that blog, here, just read these news stories:

http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20050930/NEWS/109300040/-1/rss02

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3917916

http://www.whbf.com/Global/story.asp?S=3917456&nav=0zGo

http://www.kobtv.com/index.cfm?viewer=storyviewer&id=21929&cat=ABQMETRO

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cf...=localnews&om=1

http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/archives/URL

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_092905WABdoubleshootingSW.a61661f6.html

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/local/12771706.htm

http://tampatrib.com/floridametronews/MGB92TB8UBE.html

http://ydr.com/story/main/87054/

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/5024947/detail.html

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050927/NEWS01/509270372/1004/NEWS

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/justify26e_20050926.htm

http://www.news4jax.com/news/5018850/detail.html

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050925/APN/509251013

http://www.kob.com/index.cfm?viewer=storyviewer&id=21832&cat=HOME

http://www.longmontfyi.com/Local-Story.asp?ID=3665

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_4105420,00.html

http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/092305ccjrwcncrowanhitlist.8945dcc9.html

http://www.newsvirginian.com/servlet/ S...!news!localnews

http://timesreporter.com/left.php?ID=45969

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2005/sep/23/519404614.html

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/12724539.htm

http://denverpost.com/news/ci_3054275

http://www.coshoctontribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050922/NEWS01/50922001

http://www.cleveland.com/crime/sun/index.ssf?/base/cops-0/112740739586680.xml&coll=3

http://www.shelbystar.com/portal/ASP/article_new.asp?ID=18709

http://www.macon.com/mld/telegraph/12708219.htm

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/092105/neR_19814488.shtml

http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story.php?Template=news&Story=7173874

http://channels.netscape.com/news/story ...72.htm&sc=rontz

http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050921/NEWS01/509210341/1006

http://cnjonline.com/engine.pl?station=clovis&template=storyfull.html&id=13061

http://new.wset.com/news/stories/0905/261851.html

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3861768&nav=0RdE

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/4996149/detail.html?rss=atl&psp=news

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2005/sep/20/519385167.html

http://www.click2houston.com/news/4995464/detail.html

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/092005/POL_B7K1IC57.013.shtml

And there's plenty more. I just got tired of wasting my time on your liberal trash, so I only got about a few of 'em from last month alone...

You know WilMac. I hate you. I hate you with all of my being because you are a dishonest cunt of a human being. You said it never happens and someone posted a few stories that shows it does. So you change your argument. It doesn't matter what you think you know. You are wrong.

Everyone's stories here prove it, as do the articles posted. Yes it does happen all the time. Hell it happened during the LA riots when Korean store owners sat on their roofs protecting their stores with semi-automatic rifles. Last month an elderly man in Oak Cliff killed an intruder that was trying to rob him for crack money. It probably happened several times in NOLA with looters. Just because you are a gun-hating, city boy, pussy, doesn't mean that they have not been used to stop crime in the past.

Here are some more links for you to choke on.

http://www.kc3.com/self_defense/susan_gonzales.htm

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2001/03-12-2001/vo17no06_gun.htm

http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=11564

Check this out here are a couple hundred stories for fucktards like you that don't live in the real world.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcInfoBase.asp?CatID=43

Damn!

Sorry to butt into this argument...but do I see two Mormon's at the counter?

As they say at Reader's Digest, It Pays to Increase your Word Power.

Thanks for the best new word I've ever heard.

I said 99.9% of the time! Of COURSE it happens...I spoke hastily. And you're probably right, the DC law probably has something to do with it.

Oh please. If that's true, then one of two things have been proven correct:

A) Somehow every right winger that drives an XTerra and has been attacked and has saved themselves by using a gun, has somehow miraculously found this board and are swapping stories, OR:

B) You're all full of shit. Which is the argument I still stand by.

Just not by you or anyone else on this board.

really? Here are some for you:
http://www.drkoop.com/newsdetail/93/8005925.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=3522086

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/35248

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3941098&nav=0RaP

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kprc/20050927/lo_kprc/2961606

http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Sep/20050928News006.asp

Those are just from the last two weeks. Suck it.

What is your point exactly? Yes people do stupid shit with guns.

You need to learn to read I never claimed to save myself or anyone with a gun. I think three people out of all the members here have even offered a story. Thanks for the half-ass retraction.

(Break time)

Just thought I'd pass on a little story.

About 13 years ago a friend of mine's family owned a storage yard/equipment rental business. It was late on a Friday evening when his dad, a tatooed biker type guy was closing up and two guys came in and robbed him at gunpoint. He complied and then when they turned and started running away, still on the lot/yard he grabbed his gun from under the counter and dropped them both.

Only one of them lived.

He got out last year after serving 12 years for manslaughter. If you kill someone, even if they are on your property, make sure that A) you are the same race and B) you do it while they are looking at you and you feel that you are in immediate physical danger.

They weren't and he didn't and he got screwed.

Big time.

(Fight!)

That's CA for you. It is a bit different here in Texas. We don't have to try to escape first, and we can shoot someone running off with our property, especially at night.

That's not just California, that's most states, unfortunately. The other thing to be certain of is this: If you do use a weapon in self defense, make sure the bastard is dead. The living can come up with some jacked up testimony about how you invited them in and entrapped them, blah blah blah.

Well, that's where he screwed up. He shot both of them in the back, as they were leaving.

But yeah, that's pretty fricken lame...the tat's and looking like a biker probably didn't help him with the jury none...

Yep, and if they land in the street, just drag the lifeless body back onto your proterty. Learned that living in College Station.

I recently read a story, so its validity is debatable, where a citizen went to the ticket couter at DFW to declare his concealed handgun like a responsible gunowner would.

The agent asked if it was loaded, the citizen replied, no.

The ticket agent said, Well ya better load it. It don't do ya no good that way.

(sorry, I couldn't resist adding the TX accent)

Make sure they're dead, the living may come up with some stupid story about how they were allowed/supposed to be on your property, but that's peanuts compared to them suing you, that's right suing you, for injuring them...
crazy shit, I'll have to dig through my law text to find the precedent on that one, but I know it's there.

Dead men tell no tales.....That is why cops unload on perps. Their word against yours.

F'ng California! Another f'ed up state like Jersey. Shoot some M'fer on your property and YOU go to jail while he gets a settlement. That is why you shoot to kill. Period. F'ing lawyers!

Wilmac-
How can you call someone a liar just because they tell you their part of the country is different than DC/VA? I live in the sticks in Jersey. The local cops are a bunch of hicks. All the do is write speeding tickets. We had our first murder in 15 years recently and the State Police were called because the local PD doesn't know how to do a murder investigation. Point of my story is, I live in one of the most industrialized state's in the Union, between NY and Philly, but yet I live in a hick ass-backward town. Gun crime can happen anywhere, in anytown.

Stone

I have to agree with Wilmac to a certain extent; that is to say, I think gun defense success stories are few and far between. Shame there aren't more. It's a simple equation of logistics. Crime victims are often merrily slumbering or toiling away at their daily rituals, not expecting that an armed thief is about to accost them. Sometimes, through luck or extraordinary circumstances, the victim is prepared and is able to defend himself. But not very often. Not often enough, anyway.

Does that affect my argument for gun ownership? No. It doesn't have the slightest bearing. I don't give a flying fuck about statistics, or facts, or anecdotal evidence one way or another. I will always use a gun if I feel I need to, regardless of law or popularity or political correctness. Just like I will always control what goes into my body, I will always speak my mind, I will always keep a boundary that no one can cross. I don't give a shit about laws. Call me a criminal. Call me a nutcase. I'm a moral person, and I believe in myself. I believe in self-empowerment. And if the day comes when I must kill another human being in self-defense, I ain't coming without proper equipment.

I've never understood the American "liberal" stance on guns. Lots of liberals have used firearms to help foment change. If guns were good enough for Ché, why aren't they good enough for you? You think when the day comes when your "rights" don't mean shit to this government, and your life and livelihood is in danger, that the proliferation of small arms won't be a deterrent to an overbearing cop or politician?

As far as keeping guns in the house, I grew up with grandparents who had guns. Until I was an adult with gun experience, I never touched them. They belonged to my grandfather, and I respected my grandfather's belongings. That's all it came down to.

I have a kid coming any day now. I've got a kitchen full of the most vicious cutlery you can buy. My wife cooks huge pots of boiled and deep-fried foods. I keep fuel, and matches, and electrical equipment, and power-tools, and all kinds of dangerous stuff in the house. Yes, I will have to be more careful, but you cannot ever "child-proof" a house 100%. At some point, you have to rely on what you've taught your children. They will have brushes with death. We all have, and so will they. Can't be helped.

For hundreds of years, people have kept firearms at arm's length. Children have died, but we have education and information now. We have proper locks, safes, safety devices. Will more children die? Yes. Does that have anything to do with me? No. Much like my argument for marijuana, don't judge me for what someone else may do. I manage to live my life day after day without hurting the people around me. So just leave me alone.

Besides, much like seat belts, or drunk driving, American behavior is dictated by the shaping of thought. When people just get used to locking their guns in a safe manner, just like using their seatbelts or designating a driver, less people get killed. Which is the best we can hope for.

Hey Wilmac do you still want to hold onto the fact that no one on this board has used a gun to stop crime. Even me? Remember my profession now before you speak.

Tou...Che'!

I still hold onto the fact that 99.9% of the stories I read on here posted by you all are fake, but will grant that there might be that 0.1% that are true. Do I know which ones are true? Nope. But for a board that isn't about gun rights to attract this many people who have saved themselves with guns, you have to admit, is a little too amazing...

In all honesty, every board I have ever visited, when the question of gun rights comes up, this same exact argument is played out, so I don't think it has anything to do with this board. It's simply what it is. Guns do protect as well as harm.

What it comes to is responsablity of the people,
guns are no more dangerous than our X's.

I wouldn't use you standing by or for something as an arguing point, it obviously doesn't have much stay power.

I'm still waiting for your absolute reasoning. Just because YOU haven't seen it or read it in the paper yourself, what means that it didn't happen? Do you think that my story, nine years ago, about some mystery man possibly getting shot trying to break into a house in the middle of 90 acres in Deatsville, AL, would make national news to the point where you, in DC , would hear about it?

You have stories that people stand by with fervent steadfastness...and you have nothing...and obviously no backbone....or you would stand up and defend your stance with something other than

Sigh...I thought we were done, but I guess you can't let it go...let me try to explain again.

I just find it absolutely amazing that (it seems like) every gun owner on this board has some sort of story about how an intruder broke into their home and the only thing that saved them was a gun. Every time this comes up, every single gun nut on this board starts telling stories about how it saved their lives, and I just find that unbelievable.

I've never had a gun in my house, and I've never been broken into. I know friends of mine that do not own guns, and they've never been broken into. Yet, for some reason, if you own a gun on this board, it's somehow saved your life at some point.

I mean, with those odds, I'd rather not have one.

I'm not saying that you haven't had this happen to you. (I did yesterday, but that's because I got irritated at work, and took it out on this thread)

However, I do find it simply amazing that every single gun owner on this board has a story to tell about how it saved their life, or one of their "close personal friends" lives.

Well that is your entire problem. There are no doubt thousands of gun owners on this board. Three or fours have shared these kinds of stories. :rolleyes:

Ok, I do see your point, and completely understand your stance. I can't speak for the validity of any other stories other than my own, and being that you don't know me personally, I would only expect you or anyone else to question the integrity of the happenings.

Nothing like that has not happened since, although I have been in situations where I would have felt more 'comfortable' having one. I'm just of the frame of mind that as long as a criminal has the avenue to obtain a gun and POSSIBLY cause danger to me or my household, then I would like to be able to defend myself.

It may be a screwed outlook and frame of mind, but that's just the way I was brought up...

I own 2 guns, & never been broken into. I don't even have any good shooting stories. Does that lower the odds to your liking Wil? Does that make the others more believable?