I respect people like Moby that are at least intelligent with their posts. Not drones who haven't thought for themselves and/or do what they're parents "programmed" them to think while growing up.

I do, however, respect him for owning one of the best SUV's in the world!

Actually, my parents are the most conservative people you'd ever meet. I'm the black sheep, I guess. Hey, I respect your argument as long as you back it up...

Hey guys.....

You can't take this guy WilMac1023 seriously ...

Anyone who would post a link to Robert Scheer... well, need I say more? You don't need to know anything else to realize where this guy is coming from. He's just another radical leftist. Probably the biggest leftist on the board now. Even worse than Xterrapin. A Taxachussetts leftist to boot.

By the way... giving money to the Taliban prior to 9/11 and you think that is a big deal? We give several billion to Egypt every year. We give millions to the Palestinian Authority. I guess yeah.. you can argue that the federal government has been supporting terrorism for years. Long before Bush entered office. Hell.. we give a large chunk of cash to support the U.N. What other organization does more to cover up and abet Middle East terrorism than the U.N. (maybe the Arab League but that is for another thread)?

I have a feeling the new XOC commercial will probably bring in a whole new bunch of Taxachusetts leftists.

And I say it's about time! It's nice to read dialoge from educated people who think for themselves for a change. As Jack Nicleson once said "This Town Needs An Enema!" Your not afraid of a little competition are you? I imagine it must sting a little, you know, with someone new encroaching on your turf and all.



Oh by the way, New Yorks taxes are WAY higher than in Massachusetts, even your auto insurance rates blow our's away.

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Sean....

Bring all the leftists on. I don't care. I love hearing their bullshit... yours too.

Yeah.. our auto insurance is probably a little higher. I would say your property taxes are much, much higher than those here in NY. Probably easily triple mine or more.

I don't know what your sales tax is.. but it's probably close. Income taxes... I'm willing to bet the same for NY City residents. Residents outside of NY City easily pay much less income taxes than you (except for a few counties close to the city).

You would prefer I link to Bill O'Reilly? Because he said the same thing Scheer did.

I just didn't want to confuse you and make you think I would take the time to listen to a conservative. Because, you know, us lefties can NEVER hear the other side's argument.

Um, yeah...our government giving 43 million to a country that would support and hold a man that would later go on to kill 3000 of our people? Yeah, I WOULD say that's a big deal.

Yeah, I can think of one big one...maybe when Reagan gave weapons to Iraq to fight Iran, which in turn were used against us by Iraq in 91.

Or how about when Nixon helped Pinoche into power over the peaceful Allende? That went over like gangbusters.

Name a President that was a Democrat that put a dictator into power. Kinda tough, isn't it?

What other organization has done more to help spread peace?

And what country has picked fights all over the world since WWII?

No wonder the world hates us, because we're the world's bully. We think we're right all the time, but every time we go in to "help" we screw it up and create chaos. I love America as much as the next guy, but having a foreign policy doesn't mean blowing up everything.

Jeez... You are the classic stereotypical leftist. All the same arguments from Allende in Chile to Iran Contra. You really are classic. I am willing to bet you subscribe to "The Nation". Besides sounding just like a Robert Scheer leftist you also sound an awful lot like David Corn of "The Nation" (a leftist guy who is on FOX news all the time by the way).

No.. I have never posted a link to O'Reilly. A link to O'Reilly is just his opinion. What does that have to do with a news or factual link? Nothing.

Can I ask you some questions? How old are you and what schools have you attended? Also what did you major in if you attended college?

I notice you didn't answer any of the things I brought up. When you can do that, then I will answer your questions.

And I have to admit I find your predictable rants entertaining as well. Your followers though don't even come close.

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Yeah.. our auto insurance is probably a little higher. I would say your property taxes are much, much higher than those here in NY. Probably easily triple mine or more.

Not to sound snobby, but if your property taxes are lower than mine, you must live in a cardboard box. I own...well in 14 years I'll own my 3 bedroom house built in 1997, and I currently pay about $2700 a yr in property taxes (includes town water and weekly garbage pickup). If you own the equilivant, I doubt you pay less in taxes.

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I don't know what your sales tax is.. but it's probably close.

Mass sales tax is 5%, isn't NY like 8.5%? I was in NY city the first week in August (stayed at the Flat Hotel on 6th Ave), and I could have swore it was that high.

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Income taxes... I'm willing to bet the same for NY City residents. Residents outside of NY City easily pay much less income taxes than you (except for a few counties close to the city).

Mass state income tax was reduced to 5.3% (from 5.6%) in 2002, 12% for short/long term capital gains. I'm sure though it will go back up to 5.6% for the 2003 tax year.

Explain to me how a liberal thinks for themselves. That goes against everything you stand for.

Well .... now that you mention it... it does sound a little snobbish.

It even indicates you know little about construction methods. Older homes well maintained and upgraded are far better homes than the overwhelming majority of new construction. Unless you buy a custom designed home and have input into how it is built.

My home was built in the 1930's and over the years I re-did almost everything myself. It is solid as the rock of gibralter. You can't beat the old style framing and construction methods. The only thing they didn't do well back then was insulation (they really didn't do it at all). Electrical was old fashioned and some plumbing, but I took care of all that. New homes are not built very solid for the most part. But I'm sure your home is nice. Seriously... I've seen the pictures. My compliments. It looks very nice.

I'm very surprised that your sales taxes are as low as you say. I guess this is not Boston rates? I am not familiar with your area so I am assuming you are not part of the greater Boston area.

Even with our real estate tax increase I am still paying less than you. Last year I paid a little over $1900. Next year about 22-$2300. You are aware that NY City property taxes are low compared to other parts of the country. One of my sisters in Westchester has a similar home and lot and pays $10,000. That's a crime in my opinion.

You don't have it as bad as I thought... tax wise, but as I said.. I think Boston people may have it worse than us. Correct me if I am wrong.

NY is a very highly taxed city and you have heard me complain about it numerous times. The income tax is one of the highest in the nation. That is why I am thinking of leaving. The real estate market is very high now... I feel it will bust within the next few years and I want to make my money and run. To a low tax state of course.

The "Taxachussetts" label was primarily because of your "tax and spend" liberal politicians in Congress. Get back to me about the Boston taxes though. I heard they are high.

Like what things? I am not going to get into an argument about 1970's Chile or 1980's communist incursion in South America with a leftist right now. I know all your answers ahead of time.

The Bush government wasn't the only administration who gave money to the Taliban. You people seem to have forgotten that. The Clinton admin gave money to them also but the feminists who fought against Taliban treatment of women seem to have overlooked that fact. Don't you even remember Jay Leno's wife bitching about them back when Clinton was president?

If you think the UN spreads world peace than you are a bigger idiot than I thought. Iraq alone can be used as an issue of them doing nothing while people die. What about all the African nations and wars over the years. They did little or nothing. The same thing can be said all over the globe. Don't hold up the UN as a peaceful organization. They are a self serving organization favoring world socialism. They also do nothing to interfere with any socialist or communist states. They do nothing about Mid East terrorism or tyranny. What have they done to help the plight of the North Korean people? Nothing. They are a do nothing organization. That's it.

And now you say the US has done nothing except pick fights all over the world since WWII. The problem with guys like you is you never understood the Cold War and the fight against communism. You never will because YOU SUPPORT communism and socialism.

Does that answer your questions? Now answer mine.

You lost me here. We were discussing property taxes, then you go off on a tangent and say "You know little about construction methods". This is a prime example of why I find it so difficult to hold a debate with you. You just can't stay focused on the topic at hand, then you accuse or ridicule the person on something totally unrelated to the original topic.

One of my first jobs out of high school was framing houses (big expensive ones), and it just so happens that I did a lot of work on my new house as well (rocking the basement and making half into family room), hell I even did my own electrical work (it much easier these days with circut breakers and all), you just have to know what the latest building codes are.

Oh, and as for property taxes, they are based on square footage and assessed value. The town/city doesn't give two shits how much "Love" went into it.

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My home was built in the 1930's and over the years I re-did almost everything myself. It is solid as the rock of gibralter. You can't beat the old style framing and construction methods.

Look, I'm not ranking on your home, I'm sure it's nice and all (I like the design of older homes myself), but owning a home built in the 1930's can be a liability as well. Three things come to mind right off the bat: Lead Paint, Lead in the plumbing, and Asbestos (it was even in linoleum flooring up until 1973). It's good to hear you upgraded the electrical work, remember the old "Penny" trick when one blew a fuse? I can remember when I would demo parts of older homes, and seeing the electrial wiring having no insulation on it.



As for the construction, sure some of the material itself may be more "durable" (thickness of supporting beams, flooring, trim work), but today's codes for home building is far superior than it was back then, especially when it comes to safety.

But what I will give to the older homes is they have style. I especially like the wood work, they spent much more time and effort back then to make a home look and feel like a home. My home, even though it's new, is just another "Cookie-cutter Mold" split Gambriel. The nice thing about owning a new home is hopefully I won't have have to put a lot of repair & maintenance into it (in the near future), and since I have a kid, I don't have to worry about lead paint and the likes.

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I'm very surprised that your sales taxes are as low as you say. I guess this is not Boston rates? I am not familiar with your area so I am assuming you are not part of the greater Boston area.

I live about 18 miles N.W. of Boston proper, and it takes me about 35 minutes to make it to work in the "Peoples Republic Of Cambridge" (next city over).

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One of my sisters in Westchester has a similar home and lot and pays $10,000. That's a crime in my opinion.

I was born in that area, it sure has changed in the last 30 years.

Do yourself a favor and look up the words "Conservative" in a dictionary.

Entry: conservative

Function: noun

Definition: moderate

Synonyms: bitter-ender, classicist, conserver, conventionalist, die-hard, fossil, hard hat, middle-of-the-roader, moderate, moderatist, obstructionist, old fogy, old guard, old liner, preserver, reactionary, red-neck, right, right-winger, rightist, silk-stocking, standpat, stick-in-the-mud, Tory, traditionalist, unprogressive

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Pinochet's military dictatorship killed thousands, tortured tens of thousands and drove more than a million Chileans into exile. A society with a 150 year tradition of democracy and participation suffered under totalitarian rule. You can't just hide your head in the sand and ignore how disgusting our foreign policy has been since WWII. You know what we did for Pinoche even after these atrocities? The United States rewarded Chile by dramatically increasing both grants and loans. On June 8, 1976, at the height of Pinochet's unrelenting repression, Kissinger met in private with the dictator and told him, "We are sympathetic to what you are trying to do here".
Having thwarted the possibility that Chile would become a model of democratic socialism, the United States made Chile a model of dictatorial capitalism. Under the hands-on guidance of University of Chicago economists, the Chilean economy was restructured. Unions were outlawed. Real wages plunged. Social spending was slashed. Of 507 public enterprises in l973 only l5 remained in government hands by l980. Chile privatized its social security system.
The experiment failed. Unemployment soared. In l973 Chile had the second highest income in Latin America, next to oil rich Venezuela. By 1988, when the military relinquished the reigns of government, Chile's income had fallen behind that of many countries, including Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay.
And this is just one example of how our foreign policy has "made the world better."

Yeah, I remember that, but I've been Googling for an hour, and can't find anywhere where Clinton sent monitary support to the Taliban. Please give me a reference.

So what if they're favoring world socialism? Shouldn't every country have a say in world events? You don't like the UN because they blocked us from doing what we wanted to do in Iraq. That's what they're there for! France and Germany both said "Give the inspectors more time," which, if you think about it, might have saved us a LOT of money in a war that was not needed.
Yes, Saddam was bad, but why did we wait until now to take him out? Why not take him out when he first gassed his own people in 1983? Oh, that's right...because he was our FRIEND then. Look, as bad as he was, the region was stable. Taking Saddam out was one of the worst things we could do. Now the entire region is unstable. It's called Balance of Power. Study it.

That's right. I would call myself a socialist. I think it would be THE perfect way to govern...if it WORKED, but it CAN'T so we have to find some other way. But capitolism ain't it. Look at what's happening. All of these big businesses that you conservatives are trying to protect are sending jobs to Mexico. The tax cut is a joke. (Could I ask you something? If you take a paycut, can you go out and buy a big screen tv? That's exactly what Bush is doing right now. Three tax cuts in two years, and he's raising spending on everything else...that's called a DEFICIT and we'll never be able to pay it off.) There are 43 Million people in the US that don't currently have health insurance.
Capitolism boils down to class warfare. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The idea that hard work will let you advance in the world is a joke. That kind of mentality hasn't worked since the fifties. Maybe you should move into the 21st century. (And don't give me that "Well, communism fell in the 20th Century bs." I SAID there has to be a balance.)

Fair enough. I have my BA in Communications from Oklahoma Baptist University. I'm 27.

WilMac1023,

I can't believe you have less than 30 posts, and someone already gave you a rating of less than 5! In time you'll learn to turn off that fuction, it's pretty much useless. Only cry babies would give someone a lower than 5 rating to a newbie like yourself.

You're still my new hero though, just keep up the good fight and always wear your flame suit.

God Sean, why don't you just go to his house and give him a sponge bath.

I already did. You posted a link from a liberal writer about how Bush gave $43 million to the Taliban, which was taken out of context as usual. I backed that up. You posted a non-fictional story about why we attacked Iraq (even though it was posted by XOC a couple weeks ago)... No back up necessary, except the first post of this thread pretty much kills that story. Then you posted a story about how Bush knew there were going to be 9/11 attacks before it happened. That is just another conspiracy theory that 2001frontier backed up. So, I challenge you to post something somewhat credible and not these little madeup stories and/or theories. That's all we ask for in this forum.

You have to admit things around here shot up a notch or two since WilMac1023 joined in. Besides, us "Liberal Deviants" must stick together you know!

You'd then have to discredit a lot of the conservative posts on this board, as well as most of what O'Reilly or Rush report on their shows. What I find really funny is most people on XOC get their news from one partisan source or another. So why is it OK to post conservative links but not liberal ones?

Our auto insurance is cheaper than Mass.....Mass has the worst drivers in the US. :p At least we dont have to pay tax on our vehicles every year!

Sean you are confusing news reporting with news analysis. The article he posted by Scheer was 'analysis', and is it turns out completely poor analysis, because it had no basis in reality. No one gave the money to the Taliban.

Your generalization is not a valid argument at all. It is a end around avoiding the real question. The article he posted was completely biased, and not even true.

You ever been to Maryland? Those people are fricken morons on the road!

I'm allways amused at how well these discussions stay on topic. Just in case anyone forgot the topic was :

Who Is Lying about US involvement in Iraq?

Which somehow arrived at this:

Amen!