Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Luke 11:41 But give what you have to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

Luke 11:46 Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

Luke 14:13-14 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.

Luke 1:53 He has filled the hungry with good things but has sent the rich away empty.

Mark 12:41-44 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a fraction of a penny. Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything--all she had to live on."


Mark 10:17-24 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'"
"Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."
Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


I've got about thirty more, if you would like me to continue.

Those quotes from The New Testament mean nothing about socialism. Especially not your version of socialism.

They mean give to the poor and needy. Not to some socialist government bureaucracy to decide who gets what and who doesn't. You really are full of shit and a sick bastard. That's low using quotes from Jesus to support your view of socialism and communism.

No other organizations on earth do more for the poor and needy than the numerous Christian faiths and organizations. It sure as hell certainly not any socialist or communist governments.

Good call Madman. Unfortunately, it seems our WilMac has falling into the hands of a cult's teachings. I found this website that expresses the same thing:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fam_love.htm

It's sad and we should feel bad for him, but I don't think being so vulgar is the answer.

Could I ask you a question? When was the last time you gave to the poor and hungry?

And how is it low using Jesus's own words? Does it scare you that he said that it's hard for the rich to get into heaven? Does that make your conservative mind race with fear? In my searching for those quotes, I never heard Jesus say 'Keep your money to yourself,' or 'privatize and deregulate everything,' or 'survival of the fittest.'

What I heard him say was give everything you have to the poor. To ME, that sounds like socialist philosophy.

You conservatives have to get over this fear you have of socialism. Socialism is much different than the Marxist-Communist philosophy of Soviet Russia. Socialism puts everyone on an even footing. The Communists took this philosophy, and took away the freedom of religion, and yes, millions died in Russia for their beliefs. But that is NOT socialist philosophy.

I changed my mind. You're not misguided. You're an ostrich that buries his head in the sand when he's scared of an intelligent argument.

Any five year old can call names. It takes a grown up to debate.

Was I vulgar? Yeah... Maybe a little. I don't think it is undeserving though. Nikolai Lenin WilPac is getting low and scraping the bottom of the barrel by using quotes from Jesus to support his sick view of the world. I'm also willing to bet he is an atheist too. That makes it even sicker.

You know I hate communists.... and we have a live one here in Nikolai Wilpac.

(By the way..... Rush resigned from his ESPN show tonight)

I like how you selectivley edited out:

This is NOT Christianity. You have no idea who you are attacking, by the way. I am one of the staunchest Christians you will ever meet. Heck, I just got back from my BAPTIST church tonight before jumping on here. But I also have a brain in my head and study my bible religiously (no pun intended). And for all I've read, I just can not come to the conclusion that Jesus would be a Capitalist, because Jesus's focus was not on getting richer, but on helping those who couldn't help themselves. This is pure socialist philosophy. I defy you to find anything that Jesus ever said that would lead you to believe that Jesus would follow a capitalist philosophy. You have no way of backing up your argument.

By the way...before you call me a cultist or brand me something I'm not, I'd direct you to Matthew 7:1-2. In fact, I'll print it out for you, if you can't find your Bible...

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

I give money to local charitable organizations every year. Do you give anything?

Plus you never answered the question. Do you believe in Jesus seeing that you quote him freely in an attempt to serve your own purpose?

There is a huge difference from giving to the poor and having a socialist government take your money. I think you are disturbed for seeing these words that way.

Socialism does not put everyone on an even footing. It destroys the human spirit and puts limits on freedom and achievement.

The whole idea and concept of America was everyone is on an even footing and treated equally in the eyes of the law. Anyone can be successful in America. All you have to do is work hard and take advantage of the oppurtunities the country has to offer. You can become a millioniare or a lazy deadbeat. The choice is up to the individual in America. That's freedom. I feel sorry for you because you don't understand that. I know immigrants who understand this very clearly and the sad thing is you were born here.

If you love communism and socialism so much.... There are a number of workers paradises around the globe that you can freely move to. Why stay here and complain about our system if it sucks that much?

You are the one who is misguided, not I. I'm here debating you. I feel sorry for you actually.

First off, I love this board, you guys are the greatest! Even the misguided nutcases!

It's fun to watch people throw one post at a person and another person fling back a response.

And even thought I think the far right nutjobs have no clue what's going on at least the debate is stimulating.

Second...

He's not serving his own purpose; he's trying to pull the veil of Facist Capitalism from you eyes.

That's why he said Socialism will never work in his FIRST post of the subject.

I actually kind of agree with this, not as extreme as you say but it does limit personal freedom. Obviously this is why it won't work. I do think that everybody should live by a socialist ideal on a social scale.
I.E. People should help each other out when they need it financially or otherwise.

That isn't actually true though, is it? People are still treated different based off of color and sex.

That's your opinion, ask anybody that had their job taken from them and sent to Mexico how easy it is to get back no their feet. And don't you think that the company that took the job from the employee should help them out some how with the new money their stock made when they moved their production to Mexico?

Funny it's kind of like a socialist state except instead of giving your money to the government to share with everybody else, you give your time(money) to the private company and they re-distribute it between their stock holders and leave you nothing.

It's Reverse Socialism!

Blah, blah.

Ah! The conservative's favorite response! Don't like it? Leave!

The thing is that our country is so close to greatness that a few small changes and we could lead the world to Utopia and make everybody as happy as we are. But I forgot, Capitalism isn't about sharing happiness, sharing is a socialist thing. And there's this article (number 5) in the constitution that says we can change the nation however we want as along as "We The People" vote that its a good move.

Oh, and I feel REALLY sorry for you and anybody as misguided as you.

Yes, yes I have. And yes I hated every minute of it. Now, you dont have to anymore, you can just call every two weeks, makes it real easy. "Press one if you have looked for a job this week..."

And viola, they send you a check. You would be amazed at how many people I heard talking about how it was a joke, and that they havent even looked for a job in six months. The problem is not that people use the safety net. It is there for a reason. The problem is that too many people use it as a hammock.

You mean besides the money I give every year? How about how I serve every first Saturday morning of the month at my church's foodbank, giving food to the poor?

Or how I volunteer every other month with Habitat For Humanity?

You mean besides THAT?

Why yes I do. I became a Christian on fourth of July weekend 1988 when I was thirteen years old.

The government takes your money anyway. It's called taxes. Or don't you pay these?

No, socialism is about HOW the money is used, not the fact that the government takes your money.

In fact, I'd be comepletly happy paying MORE taxes if it meant that schools were better off, if roads were fixed, if the poor were fed, and that everyone had access to health care services. My having a 300 dollar check come to me from the government doesn't help me at all. I'd much prefer it to go to those who need it. Which is why I donated my check to Compassion International. (Whoops! I didn't help out the economy any, did I?)

Again, you're confusing communism with socialism. Yes, the communists put a hard line on everyone, and they were corrupt. Socialism is a utopian philosophy where everyone works, and everyone is equal. And, as I've previously admitted, it can't be successful in the real world, because there are those that won't work. I know this. But capitalism isn't the answer. There has to be a medium between the two that allows those that are able to go to work and get ahead, and helps those that CAN'T work to survive. Yet you conservatives do everything in your power to help big corporations not have to pull their fair share in society. You cut taxes for them. You look the other way when they pull an Enron. (Why have these guys STILL not gone to jail, may I ask you?) You hand them grant after fund after tax break, and what do they do? Lay people off, build factories in Mexico, vote themselves a fat payraise, and use loopholes in the tax code. That's not capitalism, that's theft from their own countrymen!

Tell that to the people in Flint Michigan. I'm sure they'd LOVE to tell you about their plant closings, and how those jobs went to Mexico.

Yeah, and I'm sure those people that lost their entire life savings and retirement funds in the Enron fiasco are REALLY happy that they now have nothing to live on. They sure chose THAT path, because, you know, they WANTED to work until they were 75. Isn't that the American dream??

As racist a statement as anything I've read on this board. So, there are SOME immigrants that came to America to be lazy deadbeats? Of course there are, but there are thousands of lazy deadbeats that were born here too. They're called teenagers. (sorry, a little humor to lighten things up.)

Again with this "If you don't agree with us, go away" conservative argument. You know who else said this? The Nazis.

You conservatives need to get over it and take a look at what you're doing to the world. Are you leaving it a better place? Looking around, I'd say you're not. I'd say you're all laying waste to everything around you, and it's going to take years to repair the damage done by Bush.

Well, pity me all you want, but I'm the one that's educated.

I seriously doubt you are a Christian. Just going to church makes you as much a Christian as going to the pet store makes you a dog.

You are so totally wrong about all those verses you typed in. Geez, have you no clue about anything? Most of your verses were written in parables. Maybe you ought to look that word up...parables.

WilMac, you sure do play the race card alot. I dont see anything remotely resembling a racist statement here. (by the way, the teenager comment was funny)

You mean beyond the fact that he said "I know immigrants that know this..."??? You mean beyond that? That means that of the 300 Million people in this country, the only ones that DON'T know that are immigrants?
I just returned from Ellis Island, and in their museum they have little computer screens set up with the test that immigrants have to take to enter the country. Did you know that 54% of all Americans can't answer those questions on the test? These are AMERICANS that can't pass a test about their own countries government! Why does being an immigrant automatically make you stupid? These generalizations you people make are disturbing.

WTF are you talking about? I realize by now that you are way beyond our intelligence level. You find hidden meanings in all sorts of things people write here. Meanings we didnt even see. You have enlightened me on several occasion here telling me what i was thinking. You are must have mystical mind reading powers. I am glad you are here to enlighten us and tell us all what we are thinking. Typical liberal BS. :rolleyes:

Very typical leftie thought process...there is always someone else to blame...there is always a hidden meaning behind everything...there is always an excuse for our behavior (racism, sexism, etc..)...

Wil, sugar coat things however you want. You call it racism, I call it fact. You call it sexism, I call it nice rack. A rose is a rose is a rose. Get over it already. You lefties can't label everything.

What is the most interesting thing to me is that you ignore the rest of my (rather lengthy) post, and just find the one thing you can attack on.

No wonder you guys are Republicans. You can't debate, you just argue.

Besides, that teenager line was a killer. Why can't you laugh a little?

Conservatives do this, too. Blame someone else (Clinton) or pass things off as "an honest mistake."

The teenager line was funny. You have a pm.

I don't know what you are talking about here. I was responding as to the reason Madman did not respond to the rest of our new resident socialist's post. Did you read the rest of my post, or did you just see that line and respond?

"Monica? What are you doing down there with my dick in your mouth? "

"It was an honest mistake, Mr. President."

Just joking Moby.

hehehe...now that was funny. Damn teenagers!

Damn man...bringing up older posts that I know have to search for! Damn you! :p

I'm just saying how I've yet to see a conservative on here say WHY the liberal arguments are wrong. All I ever see is "you're wrong" or whatnot. Give us FACTS. I'll give you a good example...

Franken's book. All I ever see from conservatives is that it is full of lies. Did they read it? "Hell, no....I'll never read that drivel." If you don't read it, how can you POSSIBLY refute it?

It smacks of the same reaction when Last Temptation of Christ came out - all these people denouncing it...BEFORE IT EVEN WAS RELEASED. How about they watch it first, THEN come out with reasons why it sucked?