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#207809 - 10/11/03 06:28 PM
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More quotes from your fellow rightie: Hitler. "The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood." "The same boy who feels like throwing up when he hears the tirades of a pacifist 'idealist' is ready to give up his life for the ideal of his nationality." "The nationalization of our masses will succeed only when… their international poisoners are exterminated." "The severest obstacle to the present-day worker's approach to the national community lies not in the defense of his class interests, but in his international leadership and attitude which are hostile to the people and the fatherland." Sound familliar? These are all things that have come from YOUR MOUTH TOO! So, Madman, think it's gonna be warm in hell with your buddy?
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#207810 - 10/11/03 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
Hitler was the most ruthless proponent of right-wing social doctrine in world history. Stalin, Mao and others massacred people in the name of equality, the common good and socialist dogma (the engineered famines, for example) and were social leftists, granted. Hitler massacred people because he thought they were vermin and was a social rightist. The characterisation of Hitler as right-wing is fair because his genocidal crimes were committed as a result of his right-wing social ideals. That he was economically leftist is true but irrelevant.
That you, Madman, are the biggest fool on this board is not only true, but irrefutable. Challenge me on this post. I dare you. Yes we do need the committee again. It was not the darkest period in American history. It was neccessary. It rooted out many communists and put the brakes on communist infiltration of the U.S. Government in it's day. Unfortunately the country is swimming with hard leftists today. The only people who thought the committee was a bad thing were the leftists and all their leftist hollywood friends. To say McCarthy was a bad thing is propaganda. He was definitely on the right track but he fucked up near the end. This country needs something like that again because to much of the hard left is working to destroy this country and bring it down. I don't know why you bring Islam into this. The hard left in America is in total alliance with Islam and the fundamentalists. Islam is the only religion they do not condemn and fight to remove from society. I am not surprised that you make excuses for the millions murdered by Mao and Stalin. That speaks volumes about you. Yes Hitler was a socialist. Some of his methods can be deemed right wing but there is no doubt that the Nazi's were socialists. Nazi is an acronym for National Socialist. Nazi's share much with the left of today. Most notably their hatred of Jews. Some of that is due to their alliance with radical Islam. You don't like me. I couldn't care less. I happen to think you are one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever log into this board. Your apologist bullshit for the murder of millions in the name of communism is further proof that you are total scum. And you are no Christian. You have been nothing but a bullshit artist since the first day you posted here.
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#207811 - 10/11/03 06:40 PM
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#207813 - 10/11/03 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Mobycat: Originally posted by NY Madman: [b]there is no doubt that the Nazi's were socialists. Nazi is an acronym for National Socialist. Yeah...and the German Democratic Republic was a democracy. [/b]Why are you changing the subject. That's not what was being discussed.
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#207814 - 10/11/03 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman: Unfortunately the country is swimming with hard leftists today. The only people who thought the committee was a bad thing were the leftists and all their leftist hollywood friends. To say McCarthy was a bad thing is propaganda. He was definitely on the right track but he fucked up near the end. This country needs something like that again because to much of the hard left is working to destroy this country and bring it down.
hey! I'm calling out all the righties on the board. Who wants to stand with Madman in his assertion? We'll see how many rush to your defense.
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#207815 - 10/11/03 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman: Originally posted by Mobycat: [b] Originally posted by NY Madman: [b]there is no doubt that the Nazi's were socialists. Nazi is an acronym for National Socialist. Yeah...and the German Democratic Republic was a democracy. [/b] Why are you changing the subject. That's not what was being discussed.[/b]You're kidding, right? You insinuated that because they used "socialist" in their name that they were indeed socialists...or rather, that it made Hitler a socialist...which he wasn't.
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#207816 - 10/11/03 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
hey! I'm calling out all the righties on the board. Who wants to stand with Madman in his assertion?
We'll see how many rush to your defense. I couldn't care less. Who is going to defend your ideals that Mao and Stalin murdered tens of millions all for the common socialist good? No one is going to back you up. You have revealed yourself for the scum that you are.
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#207817 - 10/11/03 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman: I am not surprised that you make excuses for the millions murdered by Mao and Stalin. That speaks volumes about you. You are misrepresenting what I said. I was putting my OWN BELIEFS to the test. I was not condoning what they did. I was using them as an example of leftists gone mad, just as I used Hitler as an example of a rightist gone bad. You have again misrepresented what I meant, and taken things out of context. You are a true rightie, and it doesn't surprise me that you are for McCarthyism either. He misrepresented what people said or didn't say, and thousands paid for it.
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#207818 - 10/11/03 06:59 PM
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I'm still waiting for your reply, McCarthyist.
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#207819 - 10/11/03 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
You're kidding, right? You insinuated that because they used "socialist" in their name that they were indeed socialists...or rather, that it made Hitler a socialist...which he wasn't. Yes.. Of course Hitler and the Nazi's were socialists. Just because they were not Marxists does'nt make them any less socialist. Socialism comes on both ends of the extreme political spectrum. Seeing that you are only a fan of hard left socialism I'm not surprised you cannot see that. Are you trying to be an idiot?
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#207820 - 10/11/03 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
You are misrepresenting what I said. I was putting my OWN BELIEFS to the test. I was not condoning what they did. I was using them as an example of leftists gone mad, just as I used Hitler as an example of a rightist gone bad. You have again misrepresented what I meant, and taken things out of context. You are a true rightie, and it doesn't surprise me that you are for McCarthyism either. He misrepresented what people said or didn't say, and thousands paid for it. I didn't misrepresent shit. You clearly stated they murdered those people for the common good. There is no other way that can be construed. I stand by my statement. We need the House Committee reactivated because there are too many leftist scum trying to bring this country to ruin. Communist scum like you....
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#207821 - 10/11/03 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman: I didn't misrepresent shit.
You clearly stated they murdered those people for the common good. There is no other way that can be construed. I'm sorry, I should have added the words "what they believed was" the common good. That doesn't mean it was good. I was using those words as an example of Leftist Philosophy gone wrong. You knew what I meant, and still misrepresented me. Just like McCarthy. What's scary is that there are a lot of people that are believing like you do. That is terrifying, because if we begin to jail and terrorize those because of their beliefs, and you condone that, then you're no better than the Nazis. And I stand by THAT statement.
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#207822 - 10/11/03 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman: Originally posted by Mobycat:
You're kidding, right? You insinuated that because they used "socialist" in their name that they were indeed socialists...or rather, that it made Hitler a socialist...which he wasn't. Yes.. Of course Hitler and the Nazi's were socialists. Just because they were not Marxists does'nt make them any less socialist. Socialism comes on both ends of the extreme political spectrum. Seeing that you are only a fan of hard left socialism I'm not surprised you cannot see that.
You really are an idiot aren't you.Have you been drinking more of that tequila? I've never said I was a fan of hard left socialism. Hitler was NOT a socialist. Socialists don't differentiate people based on their ethnicity. Socialists don't ease gun restriction (German Weapons Law of 1938), socialists don't put ability over equality. Socialists ARE idealist...something Hitler was not. (See above quote about boy throwing up.)
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#207823 - 10/11/03 07:32 PM
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McCarthy was a patriot skewed by a media controlled by the hollywood elite left. A large number of people that McCarthy supposedly subjected to a "witch hunt" were later positively identified as agents for the Soviet Union.
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#207824 - 10/11/03 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
Have you been drinking more of that tequila? I've never said I was a fan of hard left socialism. Hitler was NOT a socialist. Socialists don't differentiate people based on their ethnicity. Socialists don't ease gun restriction (German Weapons Law of 1938), socialists don't put ability over equality.
Socialists ARE idealist...something Hitler was not. (See above quote about boy throwing up.) I was somewhat harsh responding to you. While typing it I thought I was responding to our resident communist at first. I don't think YOU are a hard leftist. You are wrong about the Nazi's. Your definition of socialism is too tainted by the leftist socialist governments that have been prevelant. The Nazi's may not have nationalized all businesses, etc., and did grant some individual freedoms... only for party members and certain citizens, but study the Nazi government some more. They were definitely socialists. Without a doubt. Just a different flavor of socialism. You are wrong about socialists not differentiating people by race. Racism and advancement through many socialist systems had much to do with the racial creed of those who wished to rise to power. Also look at the socialists here in America. All they do is classify everyone by race and instill a "group" mentality according to race. To say socialists are not racists is an extremely false statement. Are you now apologizing for socialism?
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#207825 - 10/11/03 07:48 PM
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#207826 - 10/11/03 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
I'm sorry, I should have added the words "what they believed was" the common good. That doesn't mean it was good. I was using those words as an example of Leftist Philosophy gone wrong. You knew what I meant, and still misrepresented me. Just like McCarthy.
What's scary is that there are a lot of people that are believing like you do. That is terrifying, because if we begin to jail and terrorize those because of their beliefs, and you condone that, then you're no better than the Nazis. You're a bullshit artist. Now since you painted yourself into a corner you are backpeddling? You have been espousing socialism since the first day you posted here. Now you have revealed your true communist self and are in denial mode. Spoken like a true communist. You knew exactly what you were saying when you posted it. You are a lying leftist piece of shit. I don't believe in jailing anyone for their beliefs. I beleive in jailing people for their actions. There is much in the actions of the left. Commies like you are always the first to jail and kill people for their beliefs. History has more than enough proof of this.
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#207827 - 10/11/03 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by MBFlyerfan:
McCarthy was a patriot skewed by a media controlled by the hollywood elite left. A large number of people that McCarthy supposedly subjected to a "witch hunt" were later positively identified as agents for the Soviet Union. I agree 100%. Many were proven to be Soviet agents and friends of Soviet agents who covered for them. Most Americans are not aware of the truth. He has been demonized for years and by whom.... the lefty hollywood idiots and the media. He also was not as conservative as he was portrayed by the left. If he was he never would have hired Roy Cohn who was a deviant and McCarthy knew it. He was a patriot who just wanted to remove communist spies and influence. Looking back in hindsight, thank God he did what he did at the time he did it.
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#207828 - 10/11/03 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by MBFlyerfan: McCarthy was a patriot skewed by a media controlled by the hollywood elite left. A large number of people that McCarthy supposedly subjected to a "witch hunt" were later positively identified as agents for the Soviet Union. Actually, most, if not all, of his accusations were either proven completely false, or never proven at all. He never provided any documentation for his accusations. That first piece of paper he held up with a "list" of some 250 communists within the State department...was a laundry list. While he may have been a patriot, and his intentions *might* have been good, McCarthy wasn't a "patriot skewed by the media." Nobody would take him on until Murrow. And even then, after Murrow did the show, it got cancelled by CBS. He was a first term Senator blinded by being in the spotlight. So much so that he even went so far as to attack Eisenhower. He got to the point that if anyone attacked him, they must be a Red.
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#207829 - 10/11/03 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman: Originally posted by Mobycat:
Have you been drinking more of that tequila? I've never said I was a fan of hard left socialism. Hitler was NOT a socialist. Socialists don't differentiate people based on their ethnicity. Socialists don't ease gun restriction (German Weapons Law of 1938), socialists don't put ability over equality.
Socialists ARE idealist...something Hitler was not. (See above quote about boy throwing up.) I was somewhat harsh responding to you. While typing it I thought I was responding to our resident communist at first. I don't think YOU are a hard leftist.
You are wrong about the Nazi's. Your definition of socialism is too tainted by the leftist socialist governments that have been prevelant. The Nazi's may not have nationalized all businesses, etc., and did grant some individual freedoms... only for party members and certain citizens, but study the Nazi government some more. They were definitely socialists. Without a doubt. Just a different flavor of socialism.
You are wrong about socialists not differentiating people by race. Racism and advancement through many socialist systems had much to do with the racial creed of those who wished to rise to power. Also look at the socialists here in America. All they do is classify everyone by race and instill a "group" mentality according to race. To say socialists are not racists is an extremely false statement.
I suppose it all depends on what socialism we are talking about...Socialism of the 30s or now. Socialism on the economic front, or socialism on the political front. Are you now apologizing for socialism? Not that I'm aware of.
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#207830 - 10/11/03 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by NY Madman: I was somewhat harsh responding to you. While typing it I thought I was responding to our resident communist at first. I don't think YOU are a hard leftist. Maybe if you stopped and read what you were responding to, you might stop misrepresenting what people say, and sounding like an idiot. You are wrong about socialists not differentiating people by race. Racism and advancement through many socialist systems had much to do with the racial creed of those who wished to rise to power. Then, using your argument, here is a list of several socialists, and their racist ties. -Strom Thurmond (Blacks) -Trent Lott (Blacks) -Richard Nixon (Jews) -Barry Goldwater (Blacks) -George Wallace (Blacks) -Reagan (gays, blacks)
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#207831 - 10/11/03 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
I suppose it all depends on what socialism we are talking about...Socialism of the 30s or now. Socialism on the economic front, or socialism on the political front. No matter how you look at it.... socialism is evil. It destroys the human spirit, it destroys individuality, and is anathema to freedom. It cannot sustain it self. History has proven that. Even this new experiment of so-called European democratic socialism is cracking already and will crumble. It may also devolve into tryanny considering there is less democracy as it moves forward and more bureaucratic totalitarian power grabbing.
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#207833 - 10/11/03 09:02 PM
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I'm sorry you feel that way. I was never apologizing for them, or condoning what they did in any shape, form or manner. I never said that what they did was right. What I was saying, and what you have so grossly taken out of proportion, out of context, and, quite frankly, out of your mind, was that they were the to the left what Hitler is to the right. Both are wrongs. Both are evils. Both have no place in the world, and must be stopped, eradicated, and erased. You continue to slander me and what I say. You take me out of context, you quote what I say and twist it, and you badger me into stupid arguments such as this. You are a troll. Nothing more, and nothing less. I have said on more than one occasion that in an IDEAL world, socialism would be the way we were governed. Everyone is the same. There would be no better than, richer than, or smarter than. Everyone would have an equal opprotunity. But I am also a realist. I realize that this type of society can never be truly implemented until Christ returns. And that is what I base my faith on. You, on the other hand, continue to question my faith, call me a liar, and spit on my opinions. You call me a communist, anti-American, and a liar. You and your type make message boards like this the radio that racists and extremests can use to spout their ignorance and hatred. I come on here looking for some fun discussions and some laughs. Instead, I get you screaming at me idiot comments like McCarthyism was good for the United States. I don't know if you are truly this stupid in real life, but if you are, I pray for you. Because it's people like you and your ilk that make the world an ugly place with your fingerpointing, hatred and ignorance. Do us all a favor and And if this post gets me banned, then so the f what. Because if your brand of hatred and ignorance doesn't get you banned, I don't know what would.
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