That's just it. You don't see that they do want preferential treatment. They also constantly demand increased access to children so that it does become a learned behavior.

Any beautiful woman would make any "normal" guy hot. That's the key word... beautiful. In real life lesbians for the most part look like Rosie O'Donnell or something along those lines.

I disagree that we share most of the same values. I certainly have not seen that at all. Everything from government, religion and culture we differ.

Exactly! I don't see why these conseratives can't wrap their heads around this. So what if there is no "law" per se about the monument, but come on now. By placing that monument of the ten commandments in a PUBLIC court house, the powers that be are: respecting an establishment of religion, plain and simple.

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Nice try bullshit artist. That is an EXACT quote in my sig. Page 4 of this thread.

The powers that be? Nice try. When the constitution gets ammended with 'the powers that be', let me know.

There's nothing I've ever read that proves homosexuality is mostly a learned behavior. (human sexual response was one of the classes I took at university). The Spartians tried to make wowan only breeding machines, but their plan failed. Animals too have shown homosexual traits as well, did someone teach them to be gay? I personally think that the only straight people that "turned" were gay to begin with, they just didn't know it yet.

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Any beautiful woman would make any "normal" guy hot. That's the key word... beautiful. In real life lesbians for the most part look like Rosie O'Donnell or something along those lines.

True, but every now and then a looker comes out of the closet.

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I disagree that we share most of the same values. I certainly have not seen that at all. Everything from government, religion and culture we differ.

Am I less moral because I don't believe in a man-made religious organization?

Well.... Judge Moore was removed from the bench a little while ago.

In a fit of hypocrisy, the presiding Chief Judge William Thompson of the Court of the Judiciary led the courtroom in prayer.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35566

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/13/moore.tencommandments/index.html

That is pretty ironic.

Then again, they didn't remove him because of the monument. They removed him because he defied a court order.

You could argue it's similar to Clinton. I don't believe there's anything "illegal" federal-wise about getting a blow job. But he got impeached because he lied to the grand jury.

Here's an interesting thought...what if Moore decided to run again? Couldn't he? I don't know that either party would touch him, but he could be a write-in. Wonder how well he'd do...

Sure some gays are born that way. Some are also made that way for varying reasons.

Regarding your college courses... since when is everything a liberal arts professor says right? They are frequently wrong. A course like 'human sexual response' sounds like not only a waste of time and money (I'm sure it was easy credits) it is also material that can be subjective. Plus I am sure it was a platform to push the homosexual agenda as it is in colleges accross the country today.

Everything outside of nature is man made. You have no proof that religion is wrong or false either. Your rejection of the religion and faith of your birth and your new found "faith" in the power of a truly man made creation .. the state, is somewhat disturbing.

He could run as an indepentent. He could also find another party to back him if the two major parties turn down support for a bid.

I doubt he would run for a judical seat anyway. You may see him run for governor in the future and he just might win.

Exactly which religion are you respecting over another? Looks more like they are prohibiting the free exercise thereof. This is so easy, why is there even a debate?

Yes, but taken out of context. Put into context, I'm making a valid argument that both left and right have their extremests, and extremests in any sense are bad news.

If its public property, be that a courthouse, a school, or any other government owned property that the US Taxpayers pay for, and a Judeo/Christian symbol such as the ten commandments is posted there, then federal government is de facto endorsing one religion over another.

Try this page for some interesting reading.

Agreed.

I wouldn't worry about it...seems to be a common problem among some people.

think: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative to create the Internet."

Since when did a state courthouse become a federal institution? The taxpayers in AL pay for that building, and they seemed fine with the monument being there.

Its a moot argument anyway. Moore was removed for not upholding the previous ruling.

The real problem I see here is that this is just the beginning of the left trying to legislate morality right out of our society. Many of us on the right feel that the morals of this country have been under attack for some time now by a left that uses morality as a punchline. They are trying to blur the lines between what is considered right, and what is considered wrong. Our country is starting to suffer because of it. I believe that many radicals in the middle east hate us not because we support Israel, or because we are powerfull. They hate us because they see our society as corrupt, decadent, and completly immoral in every way. This scares them because they believe that we are trying to make them the same way. They believe this because this is what are media portrays to them every day in our commercials, our entertainment, etc. We claim to be a "God-fearing" society, yet all we ever see any more on the news is our own "majority" religions under fire from every direction. We have 10-12 yr old kids getting blow jobs in classrooms and the parents are arguing shouldnt be expelled because they are just kids. We are losing our common sense to a fear of seeming even remotely religious.

Where is the common sense?!

Just because an idea of right and wrong originated out of some religious doctrine does not automatically make it wrong. Truth is truth. Forget conservative and liberal, use your common sense. Sometimes children are too young, they need to have thier innocence a little longer. Instead of being bombarded by violence, sex, drugs, (and that is just the commercial before the Saturday morning cartoons begin)

A 5 year old doesnt need to see Mike kissing Matt at Disney World. For that matter, he shouldnt have to see anyone hetero or homo all over each other in a public place. As a conservative I say it all starts with the parents, no one else. But as a parent today, the only way you can shield a child from all of this stuff is to lock them in thier room with no radio, no TV, no magazines, no nothing.

As I said before, the Commandment are just the beginning of the end of any kind of rational morality in this country.

This is the last I have to say in this topic.

Nothing was taken out of context. You were defending Soviet and Maoist purges of millions.

You even got your whole argument wrong. According to you genocide made Hitler right wing and in some twist of history you seem to think his economy was that of a leftist government. All wrong. The Nazi government was a total socialist government once it consolidated power. The primary thing that distinguished it from a leftist socialist government was it's economic policies and private property rights. Everything else was virtually identical. Your description of the Nazi's economy as "leftist" is far from accurate.

Genocide does not define a government as "right wing". What kind of bullshit propaganda is that? Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot each committed genocide. Even Saddam was a "Stalinist" type socialist and he made attempts at genocide.

The original point of the whole thing I made was that socialism is evil and always devolves into tyranny. Authoritarian socialist governments always kill and always on a large scale. There are almost no exceptions since the concept of socialism has been introduced.

And you defended this murder as the "common good". There was no other way your statement could be taken. Considering the inaccuracies in your statement it could have been made out of pure ignorance. You also could have been regurgitating some indoctrinated propaganda that has infected you. It's hard to tell because of leftists like yourself constantly attempting to portray socialism and communism in a favorable light.

By this reasoning then would you agree that by the government of NYC creating a special segregated school for homosexuals at taxpayer expense endorses same sex sexual preferences over opposite sex sexual preferences?

Did you also know that in NYC schools no reference of Christmas are allowed anymore. No nativity depictions, no signs stating "Merry Christmas". It must say "Happy Holidays" and some won't even allow that. Yet menorahs are allowed and Muslim crescent and star symbols are allowed for Ramadan. What say you about this policy?

Yup! I would agree with that, and I would also go so far as to say that it is unconstitutional. How can we have equality when the state sponsors segregation? I don't care if they're gay or not, but if it was another minority in there, people would scream "racism" and "segregation."

I say this is good. The way I see it, either everyone can celebrate every holiday, or nobody does. And if it steps on the toes of someone who doesn't believe that way, then I say get rid of it.
Put it personal, and on a different subject. In seventh grade, our class was going to be taught condom use using bananas. My dad didn't want me to participate in this, so I was sent to the library for an hour. No problem at first, because I love to read anyway, and I had already been taught at home about sex from my parents as it should be. I didn't need a teacher with a banana showing me how to do it.
But since I was the only one in class that DIDN'T stay, I was made fun of for weeks on end because I wasn't "man" enough to stay in class.
Ok, transfer that same situation to a Jehova's Witness kid that doesn't celebrate Christmas. That kid is going to be taunted and harassed by every other kid in that school.

If one person is going to be cut out, then it has to be cut out for everyone. Equality for all. Basic civil rights. No segregation.

You did read the post did'nt you? You are saying that it is alright for Jewish and Islamic symbols to be displayed in NYC schools but Christian symbols are not? You are condoning this anti-Christian bigotry?

This is not fair or equitable at all.

Huh? You aren't making any sense. Here's what I believe, in plain and simple english.

1) There should be no endorsement of any religion of any kind in any taxpayer supported public building. That includes posting any religious imagery, symbols, or statements from any of the religious scriptures, be they Hindu, Muslim, Jewish or Christian. None!

2) I don't believe that the NYC school is constitutional. Not because it is endorsing a lifestyle, but because it is government sponsored segregation. If people are to get along, they have to get along on their own terms. The more we separate into different classes, ranks, beliefs, sexual orientations, and the like, the more segregated our country becomes.

It's a melting pot. Melt, dammit.

That was his point, WilMac.

Christian references to their year-end holiday, Xmas, are banned.

However, references to the Jewish year-end holiday, Hannukah, and the Muslim year-end holiday, Rammadan [sp?] are permitted, nay, celebrated.

It's an inequity.

You both are fighting over the same fucking point.

Yes... I agree with this.

But NYC schools ALLOW Jewish and Muslim symbols. They DO NOT ALLOW Christian symbols.

Your position was not clear in the previous post. I guess one thing we agree on.

Are you sure? Why hasn't anyone brought up a lawsuit about that?

Not sure if it's been tried. It wouldn't get very far anyway. Ramadan is about 7 weeks before Christmas and all the administrators who control the NYC school system and set the rules are Jewish. The judges here are extremely liberal on culture related issues. The whole thing is an anti-Christian culture war. The thing is minorities are not the ones complaining. Hispanics are almost entirely Catholics, the Chinese rarely complain about things like this and black people are mostly Christian. None of these groups has a problem with Christian symbols.

The only ones who have a problem are the left and the Muslims.