WilMac....

Don't give me any more of your bullshit. I haven't slandered you. Your words are right here in black and white. (On another note... written words are liable, not slander. Neither of which has occurred. An educated man would know the difference. An indoctrinated one may not).

No one twists people's posts here more than you.

You entered this board with a determination to specifically argue with me in particular and a few others. This you can't deny. You made that very clear on your first day. So how about you... shutting the fuck up!

I also don't believe anything you say about being a religious guy or Christian. You are a liar and a bullshit artist through and through. No "Christian" man says the things you say. No "Christian" man is loaded with the venom you have. You are a liar and are fooling no one.

You are garbage and when backed into a corner and your own words thrown back in your face you cower in denial. You have no other argument than to call those that oppose you ignorant and hateful. You are the ignorant and hateful one. You are scum.

You can go to hell as far as I am concerned. I hate communists and people like you. I think you knew that prior to even joining the board. You signed up specifically to fight in political arguments. Good for you. Everyone who reads your posts knows you are a liar. Pray for yourself. I don't believe you have ever said a prayer in your whole miserable life. You introduced yourself on the board with a string of lies. Why should anyone believe anything you say?

You're a leftist piece of shit. You also are a child.

Socialism is socialism Moby. Regardless of whether it is today or 70 or 80 years ago.

Regarding economics.... the more socialism a society has, the less of a viable economy is the outcome. The more government-centric any economy becomes, the more the economy stagnates, shrinks and eventually crumbles. Without a viable and vibrant private sector, no economy can grow and sustain it's populace with any decent standard of living.

Yeah, the only reason I'm on here is to target you.

If you weren't so arrogant, I might actually feel sorry for you.

You got balls calling anyone arrogant.

Sounds like somebody we all know!

Would God really have thanked Joseph McCarthy for what he did? He started as a stooge for the Republican party, slept with men (possibly even Hoover himself), and eventually commited career suicide by pissing off the very person he helped get elected to the White House, Dwight Eisenhower.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAmccarthyism.htm

"For some time opponents of Joseph McCarthy had been accumulating evidence concerning his homosexual activities. Several members of his staff, including Roy Cohn and David Schine, were also suspected of having a sexual relationship. Although well-known by political journalists, the first article about it did not appear until Hank Greenspun published an article in the Las Vagas Sun in 25th October, 1952. Greenspun wrote that: "It is common talk among homosexuals in Milwaukee who rendezvous in the White Horse Inn that Senator Joe McCarthy has often engaged in homosexual activities."

These are the people of history that you consider a hero? McCarthy hired a known "deviant" Cohn to make him his bitch! For a person who hates homosexuals as much as you do, you sure do idolize enough of them. Tell us again how much you adored Hoover!

CIA information on The Venona Papers

NSA information on Venona.

I hope you're not inferring Joseph McCarthy had anything to do with the uncovering of any communist plots against the U.S. McCarthy was only a mouthpiece for Hoover (in more ways than one).

"William Sullivan, one of Hoover's agents, later admitted that: "We were the ones who made the McCarthy hearings possible. We fed McCarthy all the material he was using."

Back to the the original spirt of this thread. Like Hoover, Madmans hero McCarthy was a homosexual, plain and simple.

"Joseph McCarthy considered a libel suit against Greenspun but decided against it when he was told by his lawyers that if the case went ahead he would have to take the witness stand and answer questions about his sexuality. In an attempt to stop the rumours circulating, McCarthy married his secretary, Jeannie Kerr. Later the couple adopted a five-week old girl from the New York Foundling Home."

Among the people investigated by HUAC

-Lucille Ball
-Katherine Hepburn
-Olivia de Havilland
-Rita Hayworth
-Humphrey Bogart
-Danny Kaye
-Fredric March
-Bette Davis
-Lloyd Bridges
-John Garfield
-Gene Kelly

I'm so glad that HUAC protected us from these monsters.

Rita Hayworth? say it isn't so! She was too much a babe to be a communist.

this thread is ... There is nothing anyone can do... they're here and they're queer... gotta live with it... It doesn't matter if you think it's right or wrong... you can beat 'em down all ya want, but more are born everyday... You complain about them flaunting the fact that they are gay... who says they're flaunting it? To them, it's fashion... Believe it or not, they're not trying to impress you ... that's just who they are... But I guess you could say the same about fat people and ugly people... They should all just stay inside... :rolleyes:

Three periods (...) at the end of every sentence is

:p

I will rush to his defense.

Stone

State Department on Joseph McCarthy

National Archives on Joseph McCarthy (I especially like the letter from Truman to McCarthy)

Letter from Eisenhower about McCarthy, page 1 (Note the line: "This particular individual wants, above all else, publicity.")

Letter from Eisenhower about McCarthy, page 2 (Note the line: "At times one feels almost like hanging his head in shame when he reads some of the unreasoned, vicious outbursts of demagoguery that appear in our public prints.")

Letter from Eisenhower to his brother (Note the best line: "To my mind, that practice smacks of more of the coward and the fool than of the leader.")

Yeah, Eisenhower sure thought a lot of him. :rolleyes: I dare say Eisenhower was "more" of a patriot than 99% of people out there.

Note: he was censured by a republican-led senate.

Anyone who thinks McCarthy was a "victim" is engaging in that time honored tradition of revisionism.

Daaaaaammmmnnnn Rita Hayworth was FINE!!!

You're so full of shit Sean. McCarthy wasn't gay. That was just a bullshit tactic by his enemies to discredit him. The left always does that. They claim to sympathize with the gay cause but are always the first to claim those they dislike are gay. The left has also been doing that to Hoover for years. He also was not gay. It's all leftist bullshit and hearsay. Roy Cohn and David Schine were however deviants.

McCarthy did a lot of good. He exposed a lot of communists. He also exposed a lot of communist propaganda perpetrated through hollywood movies. As I said he fucked up at the end. He couldn't deal with the pressure and he started to crack and unravel. It doesn't mean he didn't do good things. Things that were needed in America at the time. It's time to reveal the subversives in America today. The media and universities would be a good place to start.

Where the hell do you come up with all these pro-leftist websites that you link to... as in the link above that you posted? A quick browse through some of their revisionist fluff history is a sham. Talk about being soft on communism. That site is definitely it. You had to get a leftist UK site as a propaganda source? Couldn't come up with one here? No lite reading at SOCIALIST.ORG today?

Are you as leftist as WilMac? Do you also think the murder of 100 million people was a good thing for "equality" and the "common good"? It's amazing you didn't dispute that. Why am I not surprised.

Maybe it's because he actually read my post and understood what I was saying.

maybe I used too many big words for you. I'll try to take it slower and dumber next time.

Eisenhower sure didn't mind him in 1952. McCarthy was somewhat responsible for the Republicans taking the White House.

No one ever said McCarthy was a victim. He fucked up and became his own worst enemy in the end. It still does not discredit the good things he had done. He exposed a lot of communists. We were also well into the Cold War and who knows how things may have turned out if America did not come to terms with the pro-Soviet and pro-communist element within it's midst.

He wasn't a victim but he has become one of the most demonized figures of the last 50 years or so. Is it any coincidence that most of the demonization is from the left.

McCarthy as a junior senator would never have gained the power he had at his peak if he was wrong from the start. It's too bad he crumbled.

The House Committee on Un-American Activities is needed again. We are at war and much of the enemy is within.

You will never have to put much effort into that. You have always been slow and dumb.

Most brainwashed communist drones are that way.

Considering it was in the full swing of the Red Scare, people wanted someone on Pennsylvania who was as far from Communist as possible. Who better than the war hero Eisenhower? He'd have won it without McCarthy easily.

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No one ever said McCarthy was a victim. He fucked up and became his own worst enemy in the end. It still does not discredit the good things he had done.

What good things? Most of his accusations were never proven. Ironically, his "list" went from 205 people on February 9, 1950 to only 81 people 11 days later. He fed on the fear of the public.

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McCarthy as a junior senator would never have gained the power he had at his peak if he was wrong from the start. It's too bad he crumbled.

He started his little witch hunt not too long after the Alger Hiss issues. People were on edge - China fell, and Russia had the bomb. Again, he fed on the fears of the public. It wouldn't have mattered *who* started waving a piece of paper around, people were suspicious and would have believed them - especially in a time as the late 40s/early 50s when people still held politicians in a little higher esteem.

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The House Committee on Un-American Activities is needed again. We are at war and much of the enemy is within.

Personally, I regard the HUAC just like I regard the term "politically correct" - that is, they are BOTH about as un-American as you can get. Diverse views are to be cherished here - HUAC spits on that, and "politically correct" is about as UN-politically correct as one can actually be. Politically correct SHOULD mean that people can have whatever *beliefs* they want without fear of the government, however distasteful they may be to others.

(Oh, and just to clarify for everyone - McCarthy actually had nothing to do with HUAC - he was a Senator, and worked with the Senate Committee on Government Operations.)

Yes, McCarthy was chairman of the Government Committee on Operations. That committee worked along the same lines as HUAC only that the GCO was supposed to weed out subversion in the government. Without the HUAC there probably would not have been a GCO. Also the HUAC was formed in the 30's.

McCarthy's list that you mention was not HIS list. It was a list comprised by the State Dept. some years before.

McCarthy did expose communists. Didn't a bunch leave the country?

Communists have been rounded up for many years. Woodrow Wilson had many arrested and jailed. Communist subversion was nothing new in McCarthy's time. It certainly is nothing new today. It's back and bigger than ever.

The HUAC didn't spit on anything. They were formed as an investigative arm of Congress to enforce existing laws. People in America can have whatever beliefs they want... yes that is true. However they cannot act on some of those beliefs. There is something called "sedition" and "treason" regardless of how much the left tries to spin or play it off.

Actually, his staffers later said it was nothing more than the laundry list he had in his pocket. There WERE no names on that list he would hold aloft and wave. That's why the numbers would change so often.

Still in denile, huh? Yes both Hoover and McCarthy were gay. Hoover was gay and the Mafia knew it:

http://www.geocities.com/hooversecret/

"In 1971, Resnick and an associate talked with the writer Pete Hamill in the Galeria Bar at Caesars Palace. They spoke of Meyer Lansky as a genius, the man who "put everything together,"--and as the man who "nailed J. Edgar Hoover." "When I asked what they meant," Hamill recalled, "they told me Lansky had some pictures--pictures of Hoover in some kind of gay situation with Clyde Tolson. Lansky was the guy who controlled the pictures, and he had made his deal with Hoover--to lay off. That was the reason, they said, that for a long time they had nothing to fear from the FBI."

McCarthy was gay and might have been a closet Nazi as well:

http://www.geocities.com/realmccarthy/

"Greenspun wrote: "It is common talk among homosexuals in Milwaukee who rendezvous in the White Horse Inn that Senator Joe McCarthy has often engaged in homosexual activities." Greenspun also labeled McCarthy "the queer that made Milwaukee famous," as a pun on the Schlitz beer slogan: "The Beer that Made Milwaukee Famous." For years after, Greenspun proudly speculated that "outing" McCarthy pushed him into alcoholic decline. (McCarthy would die from cirrhosis of the liver in 1957.)"

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McCarthy did a lot of good. He exposed a lot of communists. He also exposed a lot of communist propaganda perpetrated through hollywood movies.

All of McCarthy's "information" came from the FBI (from pickle-smoocher Hoover himself). There's also evidence that McCarthy was a Nazi sympathizer:

"[McCarthy] sided with enemy [Nazi] forces against American soldiers. He falsely accused American officials of crimes. Moreover, he took up this tainted cause at least in part because of heavy financial support from an ultra-right-wing German-American businessman in Wisconsin."

Yea, McCarthy did alot of good for America didn't he.

:rolleyes:

Sean, I don't know whether they were gay or not, and don't really care. Posting geocities links as evidence is about the least credible thing you could do to back up your argument. I could start a website about how your small animal fetish if I wanted. That wouldn't make it a fact.

Here is probably a better "explanation" of whether Hoover was gay or not:

Was Hoover Gay?

Basically, there were rumors and innuendos, but nothing was ever proven and probably never will be.