I always get a kick when you people on the left call me a "right winger". To you Bush is a "right winger". That proves how far left you are pal. He may be a Republican but he certainly is nothing resembling a conservative. You're damn right he is a liberal. There are liberal Republicans you know. He's not out there in left field with you but he certainly is liberal on many issues.

I'll let your asshole comment slide considering I usually call you a dick. (Hey.... that's something you support heavily. The combination of asshole and dick. Right up you're alley huh...)

No pun intended, eh?

I don't know if I'd call Bush a liberal.

Actually I'd just call him a figurehead; his administration is conservative.

None of them(Bush admin) are liberal. Liberal doesn't mean anybody who wants to ease the suffering of other humans, that's just basic human decency. Both liberals and consevatives have that trait.

As for the facist remarks, as long as commie pinkos is being thrown at liberals here I think liberals are able to throw back something as harsh.

They could always use the ever popular neocon.

Are you one of the HXOC pervs? I like my girls with a little bit of experience. They are much more fun that some junior high girl who hasn't learned to suck cock yet. And if it matters, I have lunch at a strip club on Fridays.

I had to go look that one up. Fascist works better. Hey, Madman is this one of your relatives? He was a little more tolerant than you.

What???? Tell me...what is so conservative about his administration?

-We've seen the most explosive amount of spending in modern history. He's poured billions more dollars into a failed public education package designed by Ted Kenedy ("the swimmer"). No real reform in there either.

-The government has taken on it's biggest expansion in history. The bureacracy has never been more out of control.

-He continues to pursue previous ambitions of "globalism" at the expense of the American worker.

-He's getting us involved in UNESCO again.

-He does absolutely nothing to secure our borders....as a matter of fact he is worse; he wants to give millions of illegal alien criminals amnesty. It's almost like Vincente Fox is running this country. Some Dept. of Homeland Security. Has he told Tom Ridge to interfere with the illegal drivers license issue. No..and I'll bet he never will either. He does nothing on the illegal issue. He is useless in this area (That's why the big push for socialized medicine... mostly for these people).

-He has declared a "war on terror" yet he is so politically correct he is unwilling to name the enemy. He claims the enemy is "terrorism". I have news for him... terrorism is the method, not the enemy.

-He is about to introduce socialized medicine to the American public through the guise of prescription drug benefits. The way the package is written all corporations will immeditaely drop their private coverage. This will not only expand the government further but it will expand Medicare and Mediciad to explosive, unmanageable and overwhelmingly expensive proportions. This opens the door to total socialized medine.

-He does nothing to counter the left in Congress (judicial appointment filibusters for example)

That's off the top of my head right now. If I think of more I will let you know.

What the hell is so conservative about him? The only I can think of is not handing over our soveriegn rights to the UN in the form of the ICC and Kyoto. I'm not sure if he can be trusted to keep us out of that if he gets a second term.

2001frontier........

Neocon is a term used by anti-semites on the left to describe conservative Jews. That's not a joke either.

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Aero Steve......

Is that what you want to do.... start posting pics of various characters to try to make fun of each other? Isn't that a little childish for a guy who tries to portray himself as some type of cool level headed guy?

So what now... I'm supposed to post a picture of some socialist or liberal to try and one up you?

I'm not going to do it. Stop being an asshole. You want to discuss a topic... discuss. You want to keep being an asshole.... whatever comes natural to you.

One name. John Ashcroft.

(Well...you did ask what, not how much. )

I had never actually heard that before. hmmm

True....ish. I wouldn't go so far to say that it's a term used exclusively by anti-semites.

Neocon 101

Please consider the source , the CS Monitor , with a grain of salt as you read.

Hell that is what all the wacko leftists I usually argue with call me. They make the guys here look like bible thumping conservatives though. I never knew what it meant, and just ignored it. After reading that article I tend to agree with some of it. I guess I am an evil neocon after all.

Of course I have no interest in the US becoming an empire or anything like that. I didn't have a problem with the preemptive strike in Iraq at all though, and I believe Israel has the right to exist. So maybe I am just part neocon, and part social liberal or something.

I would. It's taken on a new meaning the last couple of years.

Not only considering Bush appointed some high ranking Jews in his administration but the term "neocon" has been used too often by the left recently in conjuction with the term "zionist".

EDIT: Yeah... CSM is a questionable source (they were also kicked out of Iraq during the war for giving away troop positions). They are not very far off though. They don't go into how the term is used by the left today.

Here Joel Mowbray disects one liberal biased writers use of the term. The premise is true for many of them.

I meant his policies and the things he has done. We could all start picking at individaul names.

Ashcroft will probably never have a direct impact on your life(unless you are a terrorist or connected to one).

Everything I mentioned above WILL have a direct impact on your life.

You must of read this article:

Bush aides anger GOP lawmakers on consular IDs

Homeland Security Dept? . . . what a joke.

You're right there are a bunch of liberal things he's done, but I found alot of the things you posted on there as things typical of conservatives.

I think that you're comparing liberal with Clinton, where as I see that Clinton wasn't much more than a conservative in liberal clothing (he did a few things right and alot wrong).

There's not really such thing as a liberal party now (except maybe Green), they should just merge the Democrat and Republican parties into one party that represents the uppper 10% of Americans, then create a bunch of other parties that represent the bottom 90% of America.

There's no such thing as a 2 party system; we have a 1 party system.

I am getting tired of this and feel just because you have a beef with HXOC there is no need to keep airing out the problem you and two members of HXOC had with false acusations of something you know nothing about.