In case you missed it, here's the short version.

GWB: "blah, blah, blah"

applause from alcoholics

GWB: "blah, blah, blah"

applause from alcoholics

GWB: "blah, blah, blah"

applause from alcoholics

Thanks for the update... I'm sure he said more than many people expected ...

There we go.

Didnt see it but sounds about right(and I'm a Dubya fan)....well there should be at least one non-alcoholic in the crowd...ain't Orin Hatch a Mormon?? and gotta be a few Muslim senators and representatives too...so they supposedly should be off the booze...all the better...if the world were filled with Teddy Kennedy's there wouldnt be any beer or teenage girls for the rest of us!!

You noticed Ted Kennedy too?

Why do they put it on every channel?

And about 100 others.

Anybody else notice the proposed INCREASE in spending for rehabilitation of criminals???? WTF! More education, more job placement etc.... NY Madman is right Bush is sounding more and more liberal everyday.... What about ME! I have worked full time since I was 17. I served my country, I pay my taxes, and bills. I love my wife, I love my country, why do I have to play by the rules and get no brakes, other than those I make myself, while my money goes to useless fucks! I am so sick of everyone else having their hand in my paycheck.........

I'm fully convinced now that Bush is a pastor, not a President. What a snoozer of a speech.

It's because of the elections, he's flip-floping now so he can try to steal some moderate votes from the democrats.

So don't worry, if he does get re-elected he won't follow through with any of the things he's saying now. They're just lies to get more votes.

Why are you so against taxes?

Who do you think paid your way when you were in the service?
Where do you think the equipment you used came from?
How do you think the Military has become the most powerful on the planet?
Have you even driven on and Interstate Highway?
Do your kids go to school?
Can they read?
Do you keep your money in a Bank or Credit Union?
Have you ever been to a hospital?
have you ever had a flu shot?
Do you use the internet? (Wait, I know that one.)
Do you think the FBI should monitor terrorism?
Would you like to slow the flow of illegal drugs into the US?
Do you think we need people to keep illegal immigrants from crossing borders?
Do you think landing on the Moon was a good idea?

I hate it when Welfare is abused but there are a million good reasons for Taxes. More if you count all the kids who get a better education through government funds, and if they grow up to create something that bennefits America you should probably count that too.

No shit? I thought you'd hate him for not nuking a city full of innocent civilians.

Yep what a waste of tv programming space....

What happened in the last 14 minutes that we had to "nuke a city"?
Am I missing something?

And I'll throw in the obligatory "Hey Ian, if you don't like it, leave" barb. Or stay and enjoy porn, Guiness and Colorado at your own risk.

Is it just me or is there WAY too much clapping going on during Bushes speeches (although this isn't a bush thing, any big speech made by a politician).

I'm not saying that there are no people would want to clap, what I mean is that do people have to clap after every five words?

I can't stand sitting through more than a couple minutes of any speech made in the last few years.

And why do people that obviously disagree clap anyway?
If anybody making a speech says something I don't like I don't stand up clapping, I sit there wondring if I should walk out.

It makes it look like all those who attend are mindless sheep.

Maybe make a drinking game out of it? Every clap , you finish your drink?

I am not against taxes, and I understand fully what role they play in the scheme of our society, but I do feel that we are taxed far too much, for things that our society could do without. I don't mind paying taxes to fix a road, or contribute to medicine, but I do mind my city/government raising my taxes because they felt the "city" needed two new stadiums etc... I am against raising taxes that take more of my pay and give it to someone who hasn't lifted a finger to help him/herself. Welfare should not be a career. Neither should medical aid. There are far too many people living off of the hard earned pay of the RESPONSIBLE working man/women, while those same working men/women are struggling everyday to make ends meet. I am not talking about the percentage of folks who actually need welfare, those that will use it to get on their feet again and contribute, nor those unemployed who need assistance(which they paid into)until they find a job (been there). I'm talking about those that decide that they are not going to do a damn thing and suck off the rest of us for their entire lives.

Is this the first State of the Union speech you have ever seen?

It's always like that with the clapping. No matter who is president. It used to be more unanimous, but now the Democrats seem to like to show disdain by staying seated or not clapping loudly at certain things.

I thought you would have liked the speech. There was a good amount of socialism in there tonight... Some of the more strange:

$23 million pilot plan to encourage student drug testing in public schools... WTF???

$300 million training and placement program to help newly released convicts find jobs...WTF???

That money right there alone could hire 5000-6000 border patrol agents for one year.

Kerensky.... Your rant on tax money was off the wall. Are you sober right now?

I'd rather dance in a prison cell with a big guy named Bubba than listen to Bush speak for that length of time!

We got it in Canada too, I guess the odor in the union is still strong...

Then don't watch. Frankly, anything "Bubba" did when he was president scared me, so I'll go with Bush.

I love how people complain about watching a speech like they were "forced" to watch it. After not watching it and looking at the highlights, this is my favorite topic that he covered. It's about time.

They should have played this song as intro:

How does he do it? How do they do it? Uncanny and immutable.
This is such a happening tailpipe of a party.
Like sugar, the guests are so refined, (look like melting mice)

A confidence man, but why so beleagued?
He's not a leader, he's a Texas leaguer
Swinging for the fence, got lucky with a strike
Drilling for fear, makes the job simple
Born on third, thinks he got a triple

I'm sorry, I missed it!

Has there ever been a State of the Union Address that wasn't full of lies and desperate attempts to get votes? I think what scares me the most is that people actually are swayed by the B.S.

Honestly; I don't know what I'm going to do when it's time to vote. I usually swing right, but I don't think I want to support GWB anymore. I just have a hard time supporting someone who's swinging left on things that I think he should be swinging right on, and not doing a very good job with anything else (did that make sense?). Basically, I don't think GWB makes a good Republican and if he's going to head left we might as well have a Democrat that's good at being one. I dunno... confused and discouraged!

Ahhh... So Claus...

Going along those lines, with the gay society that Canada has created for itself...

When your leader speaks... should they play Broadway show tunes or someting?

Not sure if Pearl Jam actually wrote a tune for Canada, AND I have no leader, only a guy elected to Govern.......

Teddy...Throw me a cold one!

Dan

LOL...good one!

I'm not sure either. However Pearl Jam is definitely a gay friendly band and Canada = gay friendly. After all, Vedder's father was gay.

Maybe you have no leader. I don't know. Do any of us have a leader we can really look up to today? It still doesn't mean you can't think of Martin as your leader. I remember you posting so much hope for him not long ago. It sure sounded like some pride in a leader.

Even so, it doesn't mean because someone is the leader of your country you have to agree with the way they govern.

You guys in Canada definitely need a lot more political dissent.

We did down at my girlfrie d's bar. Every time Weapon of Mass Destructio n, Justice, Sept 11, terrorists (did me in) and many other things. Any time Ashcroft was on the bar chanted the Empireal March. Duh, Duh, Duh, Dunta Duh, Dunta Duh... It made the experience pass in a much more fun way.

One thing that sank in was the proposal for a Constitutional Admentment for get rid of gay marriage. I am 100% straight and 100% against this. At least it alienates the gay vote.

It does sound like you had fun Steve.

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I didn't watch - read carefully. Nor did I complain. My life is too short to waste it listening to idiots, which I realized in Jan, 2001.

Get over yourself and start to adapt - the clown prince isn't much longer in the ivory tower.

The REAL state of the union:

232: Number of American combat deaths in Iraq between May 2003 and January 2004

501: Number of American servicemen to die in Iraq from the beginning of the war - so far

0: Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender to the Allies in May 1945

0: Number of coffins of dead soldiers returning home from Iraq that the Bush administration has allowed to be photographed

0: Number of funerals or memorials that President Bush has attended for soldiers killed in Iraq

100: Number of fund-raisers attended by Bush or Vice-President Dick Cheney in 2003

13: Number of meetings between Bush and Tony Blair since he became President

10 million: Estimated number of people worldwide who took to the streets in opposition to the invasion of Iraq, setting an all-time record for simultaneous protest

2: Number of nations that Bush has attacked and taken over since coming into the White House

9.2: Average number of American soldiers wounded in Iraq each day since the invasion in March last year

1.6: Average number of American soldiers killed in Iraq per day since hostilities began

16,000: Approximate number of Iraqis killed since the start of war

10,000: Approximate number of Iraqi civilians killed since the beginning of the conflict

$100 billion: Estimated cost of the war in Iraq to American citizens by the end of 2003

$13 billion: Amount other countries have committed towards rebuilding Iraq (much of it in loans) as of 24 October

36%: Increase in the number of desertions from the US army since 1999

92%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that had access to drinkable water a year ago

60%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that have access to drinkable water today

32%: Percentage of the bombs dropped on Iraq this year that were not precision-guided

1983: The year in which Donald Rumsfeld gave Saddam Hussein a pair of golden spurs

45%: Percentage of Americans who believed in early March 2003 that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks on the US

$127 billion: Amount of US budget surplus in the year that Bush became President in 2001

$374 billion: Amount of US budget deficit in the fiscal year for 2003

1st: This year's deficit is on course to be the biggest in United States history

$1.58 billion: Average amount by which the US national debt increases each day

$23,920: Amount of each US citizen's share of the national debt as of 19 January 2004

1st: The record for the most bankruptcies filed in a single year (1.57 million) was set in 2002

10: Number of solo press conferences that Bush has held since beginning his term. His father had managed 61 at this point in his administration, and Bill Clinton 33

1st: Rank of the US worldwide in terms of greenhouse gas emissions per capita

$113 million: Total sum raised by the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign, setting a record in American electoral history

$130 million: Amount raised for Bush's re-election campaign so far

$200m: Amount that the Bush-Cheney campaign is expected to raise in 2004

$40m: Amount that Howard Dean, the top fund-raiser among the nine Democratic presidential hopefuls, amassed in 2003

28: Number of days holiday that Bush took last August, the second longest holiday of any president in US history (Recordholder: Richard Nixon)

13: Number of vacation days the average American worker receives each year

3: Number of children convicted of capital offences executed in the US in 2002. America is only country openly to acknowledge executing children

1st: As Governor of Texas, George Bush executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern US history

2.4 million: Number of Americans who have lost their jobs during the three years of the Bush administration

221,000: Number of jobs per month created since Bush's tax cuts took effect. He promised the measure would add 306,000

1,000: Number of new jobs created in the entire country in December. Analysts had expected a gain of 130,000

1st: This administration is on its way to becoming the first since 1929 (Herbert Hoover) to preside over an overall loss of jobs during its complete term in office

9 million: Number of US workers unemployed in September 2003

80%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce now unemployed

55%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce unemployed before the war

43.6 million: Number of Americans without health insurance in 2002

130: Number of countries (out of total of 191 recognised by the United Nations) with an American military presence

40%: Percentage of the world's military spending for which the US is responsible

$10.9 million: Average wealth of the members of Bush's original 16-person cabinet

88%: Percentage of American citizens who will save less than $100 on their 2006 federal taxes as a result of 2003 cut in capital gains and dividends taxes

$42,000: Average savings members of Bush's cabinet are expected to enjoy this year as a result in the cuts in capital gains and dividends taxes

$42,228: Median household income in the US in 2001

$116,000: Amount Vice-President Cheney is expected to save each year in taxes

44%: Percentage of Americans who believe the President's economic growth plan will mostly benefit the wealthy

700: Number of people from around the world the US has incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

1st: George W Bush became the first American president to ignore the Geneva Conventions by refusing to allow inspectors access to US-held prisoners of war

+6%: Percentage change since 2001 in the number of US families in poverty

1951: Last year in which a quarterly rise in US military spending was greater than the one the previous spring

54%: Percentage of US citizens who believe Bush was legitimately elected to his post

1st: First president to execute a federal prisoner in the past 40 years. Executions are typically ordered by separate states and not at federal level

9: Number of members of Bush's defence policy board who also sit on the corporate board of, or advise, at least one defence contractor

35: Number of countries to which US has suspended military assistance after they failed to sign agreements giving Americans immunity from prosecution before the International Criminal Court

$300 million: Amount cut from the federal programme that provides subsidies to poor families so they can heat their homes

$1 billion: Amount of new US military aid promised Israel in April 2003 to offset the "burdens" of the US war on Iraq

58 million: Number of acres of public lands Bush has opened to road building, logging and drilling

200: Number of public-health and environmental laws Bush has attempted to downgrade or weaken

29,000: Number of American troops - which is close to the total of a whole army division - to have either been killed, wounded, injured or become so ill as to require evacuation from Iraq, according to the Pentagon

90%: Percentage of American citizens who said they approved of the way George Bush was handling his job as president when asked on 26 September, 2001

53%: Percentage of American citizens who approved of the way Bush was handling his job as president when asked on 16 January, 2004

Sources: Vanity Fair magazine, Harper's Index, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, US Army (Washington), US Department of Defence, Iraqbodycount.net, Citizens for Tax Justice, Bureau of Economic Analysis (Washington), New York Times/CBS News Poll (NYC), US Department of Commerce, Cap Gemini Ernst & Young (NYC), Coalition Provisional Authority (Baghdad), World Health Organisation (Geneva), Office of Management and Budget (Washington), Centre for Responsive Politics (Washington), Bush-Cheney '04, Inc (Arlington, Va), Election Systems & Software (Omaha), United States Central Command (Tampa)

Yup, this country is a fucking disgrace.

What exactly do Bush and Chaney do with $200M in campaign dollars ? How can you possibly spend all that on cardboard signs for front yards ?
Do they need a website ? I could make them a real nice one for $1M.

I know give you NY Madman, who will rebut every one of those points.

That's an invasion of privacy. Sounds more Republican than Democrat to me.

Thats more lower income work for wealthy corporations. That sounds more Republican than Democrat to me.

Sheesh; as if it wasn't bad enough I can't even get a job at Wal-Mart because of the illegals and disableds, now I'm going to be up against ex cons too? :rolleyes:

it is "now" (lower case) not "know"

Yep, that's pretty ominous. In a speech laden with variation son keeping Americans "Free and Safe", it boggles the mind that he would then propose a constitutional amendment to limit the freedoms of some Americans.

What the hell does it hurt to allow gays to marry? They pay taxes. They are members of society, like it or not. "Sanctity of marriage" is not a valid answer. The only marriage that one should be concerned with is their own. If Bob and Bob's wedding impacts someone's marriage, then that someone has some work to do at home.

A

Give me a break with your pro gay bullshit.

The sanctity of marriage is one of the valid arguments.

However people like you with sick twisted minds seem to feel that one man sticking his johnson in another guy's anus is some kind of behavior that everyone should celebrate as normal and acceptable. In your sick, perverted mind that is some type of sanctity.

State of the Union in an Xterrapin World...

100% Apologies to the Islamic world for insulting them by building the World Trade Center and Pentagon in the first place

Yassar Arafat named President of new Palestine state in area formerly occupied by Israeli Zionists. 5 Million Jews enter concentration camps

U.S. National Security authority transferred to United Nations Security Council

SUV outlawed in 2002. Replaced by the Soviet Lada touring sedan.

"Great Leap Backward" federal socialist program is started

Federal Law mandates that children require 3 parents. Mother, Father and one flaming homosexual.

Supermarkets are outlawed. Anyone who wants toilet paper must wait on government line for two days the way it was meant to be.

"I'll give you ten good reasons to re-elect me...."

Giggle.

So...predictable. Knee jerk even.

Yep my mind is sick and twisted because I don't give a rat's ass wether or not a man marries a man or a woman marries a woman. It just doesn't affect me. Your mind however is not sick and perverted because you get your panties up in a bunch worrying about and imagining the actions of a group of people that you dislike intensely. Your logic is stunning.

How does gay marriage affect you? You hate gays, sure. But you hate a lot of things and people. What I'm asking is this: in your day to day life, how does the fact that gays can marry affect you? Your ability to carve out your life? Answer me that.

I gotta tell you son, there's a lot worse things going on out there than gays getting married.

Gay marriage is so unimportant compared with the other things on the national plate right now. A constitutional amendment? Are you really for that?

How about the economy and national security? I think those are a tad more important. And a tad more relevant to the average american.

A

Dang, wish I had had this yesterday...

Drinking Game

Well said PackRat.



Have you noticed that the people who hate homosexuals the most are the one's who are most fixated/graphic about gays sexual relations/acts? Personally, what happens behind their bedroom doors (as long as it's consensual and happens between people of legal age), is no business of mine.

Since marrage is a religious based insitution, my prediction is homosexuals won't get the title "Married", but in the near future, they will get all the Federal/State benefits that straight married couples now receive.

More scintillating than the original, Ian. Thanks!

I thought that Ted Kennedy looked like a jackass, sitting there shaking his head and pouting like a little boy. I agree with a lot of what Bush has done and plans to do, I do disagree with some of it. I don't like the plans for the new Patriot act. The big thing that I always realize is that it is a tough job being President of The United States. Everyone always has something to say negative about the job the Prez is doing, but would have just as many problems themselves if they were in that position. The Democrats crack me up. If we had a Democratic President in office right now (Gore and Leiberman), the terrorists would have walked all over us. Could you imagine Leiberman as our president. He is like the kid that got the crap kicked out of him every day out on the playground! When election day comes around, I will vote for the best canidate (in my eyes). I will not vote for the leading Democrat, or Bush just because he is a Republican.

Why dont you post how many occupation soldiers died after the Nazi surrender in May 1945?

Why did you have to name them Bob

Because he doesn't know. He is devoid of any original thought.

The only thing he knows is what's posted on anti-American/Commie web sites. Then he copies and pastes them here.

You have to feel sorry for him. He spent his childhood going to Black Panther rallies and anti-American protest marches.

Xterrapin was only taught WHAT to think. Not HOW to think.

What do you call two gay guys named Bob?

Oral Roberts.

-dp

Like Religious brainwashing?

Quote:

You have to feel sorry for him. He spent his childhood going to Black Panther rallies and anti-American protest marches.

I don't think he was old enough to go to Black Panther rallies, I bet he wasn't even born yet.

Quote:

Xterrapin was only taught WHAT to think. Not HOW to think.

(i.e. Religious brainwashing again)

He said it himself in a post a long time ago. My memory is fairly good.

I believe it was very early 80's and his parent's introduced him to one of the Panther's founders. I think it was Huey Newton.

Yes. Islam is quite a problem these days.

Wrong!
My parent(s)/family introduced me to politics and books, not Huey Newton personally. I have read the writings of Huey Newton (Revolutionary Suicide is on my bookshelf at home)and was given Abbie Hoffman's black leather jacket from a member of the Black Panthers; but that was in high school in the late 80's; on my own.

Well.... Which Black Panther gave you the jacket?

My older sister knew Abbie Hoffman. He lived in her building during the 80's in the Murray Hill section of Manhattan. She said he was a very strange man.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that one...

I don't remember the name of the guy, he wasn't one of the higher profile members that we all know. I wish it was Huey Newton I'll check the letter he wrote when I get home. My memory is good, but not that good.

Not that good though. Have you thought of trying Ginko?

Yes. Islam is quite a problem these days.[/QUOTE]

As well as other religious groups closer to home.

Yeah... We're spending billions on added security. We have new federal agencies. We wait in line at airports for hours and undergo everything but cavity searches. We have a federal color coded threat alert system....

All because of those OTHER religions close to home.

What about the abortion doctor killers and the clinic bombers? Did you forget about them? I'm telling you, the experts say Ginko does help with memory loss.

:rolleyes:

Uh, read what I wrote. I mentioned that after I commented on your statement in a different paragraph. It was in response to whoever watched it and complained before my post. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

BTW, glad to see you gave the President a chance. Put away your liberal agenda and realize that the best candidate for the job won. Turn the page.
Please.... with no competition this year, get used to another 4 years and I love it. I'm both happy and sad to see more people in this world are smarter than the people at XOC.

Those English lessons are really paying off now, aren't they...

Sean! I agree with you on something!!! As long as their not married in a normal church, I see no problems.

I didn't know you signed up for Spelling Police on this board. Oh well, as long as I know I'm trying to type with no one seeing, I know there's either an "'m" or "am" in there.

I knew you'd "See the Light" someday...

I just found it a little ironic, you know, with your "genius" and all...

Oh yeah. Those abortion doctor killers are the ultimate threat to national security. :rolleyes:

How many have been murdered over the last 30 years? Try not to run out of fingers while you are counting.

Does your insanity know any bounds? Comparing Islamic terrorism to a few guys who killed abortionists is beyond any rational reasoning.

Insanity? Murder in the name of religion, be it Islam, Judism, or Christianity is STILL murder. All religions throughout history have blood on their hands.

The Democrats are pathetic. They sound like bitter, little kids. Always quick to point the finger, but NEVER have any answers on how to help the situations.

If they have such "great" ideas to help the economy state them. The war? Suggest some things. Terrorism? What would they do to protect us?

Who cares if no WMD's were found? We got rid of an evil dictator who committed mass genocide against his own people. He was inviolation of 17 UN resolutions. For me, that is enough reason to get rid of him. Maybe if the World acted in 1938 Hitler would never have been successful either....

We have to teach these Muslim bastards a lesson. Mess with the US and its people and retributions will have to be made. "It is better to be feared than loved.....".

What Kennedy did last night was a disgrace. Show some respect jackass! Why was he never killed?

Same goes for Hillary. I would love to smack that sour puss off her face. What a bitch. I don't blame Bill for banging a fat pig instead of her. She makes icebergs look warm.....

Could Nancy Pelosi get any more facelifts? She looks like Joan Rivers. All I heard from her was "blah, blah, blah....". She brought NOTHING to the table last night. As usual.

Anyone wonder why that ass Daschle was sent Anthrax? What a douchebag.

How about Sen. Kerry bringing up corporate corruption such as Enron, MCI, Tyco, et al under Bush? Hey Douchebag, their stealing came under Clinton's presidency in the late 1990's. They were only caught during Bush's term.

I agreed with some things GB said last night, but not other things.

No need for the Federal gov. to get involved with sports and steriods.

No need to ever bring up marriage. What happened to separation of Church and State? If fags want to get together, fine. Just don't call it a "marriage".

High school drug testing? That is a State/local gov. problem; not Federal.

More money to help educate cons? Jeezus, how much more can we give to them?

Stone

That is true Sean, but the Islamonuts are the only ones who want to kill us all at this time in history.

As long as you understand taht I mean genius as far as my education and busting my ass off in school. A real genius is naturally born gifted which I am not. I'm only human and I make mistakes (i.e. spelling). That's fine, just as long as they're not as big as thinking "W" wasn't better than Gore and that any of the current Democrat candidates are better.

Amen Stone, well said. Just have to add a few comments:
I agree, which he didn't. He simply called them out and what better person to call them out? Someone needed too because no one was listening to us (the fans). He had no federal plan for it, just called them out.
I could be wrong, but I think that's the argument. They want to be "married".

They put a "nukular" weapon in space and have it pointed at xterrapin!

Stone... That was a funny post.

You are right. The Dems ARE pathetic. They even act pathetic and disgraceful with the cameras rolling.

Did you know that Nancy Pelosi is a member of this organization -- The Socialist International ?

Stone, you beat me to it. I want to punch that fat bastard Red Kennedy right in the face. I did like how the Dems seemed reluctant to clap about things that are good for the country. The improving economy and such. It should be obvious that they don't care about us. They wish the economy sucked, and that we hadn't caught Saddam. Truly un-American behaviour.

Nah, the best candidate didn't win. He lost in the Republican primary.

No, not all of Islam wants to kill us. A large percentage may hate us, but only a small percentage wants to kill us.

Like the Republicans didn't exhibit the same behavior when Clinton was President. How many State of the Union addresses have you watched?

:rolleyes:

Wow, when you all get back from LaLa land, let us know.

Until then we'll just hang on to these voter registration cards.

Sean, were did I say that all of Islam wants to kill us? Please don't give me that religion of peace bullshit.

Packrat, keep burying your head in the sand. The Dems like Kennedy and that bitch Hillary don't care about us. They only care about their partisan politics. They don't mind if we suffer as long as it makes the President look bad. All they care about is getting power back so they can take better care of their special interests. There are too many of these idiots on both sides of the aisle.

In your post this is about all that makes sense.

Partisan politics suck.

Issues get lost in agendas.

That is what I am talking about. Total lack of respect for the President. If he didn't like what Bush had to say, be the better man (he cannot) and put on a poker face. Don't sulk and shake your head at every word. Totally classless, but what can you expect from a Kennedy?

Same with the Cryptkeeper (aka Hillary). She had the biggest sour-puss on her face. Until someone must have told her, "Hill, ALL the networks are showing your face, better put on smile". Ewwww, can you imagine waking up next to her in the morning with no makeup? The horror.....the horror.

Stone

I didn't know you were an expert when it comes to Islam...

:rolleyes:

Coming from someone who gets all their information from the Faux News network, why am I not suprised? Let me refresh your memory sparky:

"That is true Sean, but the Islamonuts are the only ones who want to kill us all at this time in history"

Sounds like all to me. Go back to school, maybe you'll learn something this time.

There was a State of the Union Address on TV last night?

Huh.

Same shit came from the Republicans when Clinton was President. Your rage is blinding you.

Sean, fuck off. I said Islamonuts. I wasn't referring to every Muslim. Maybe you need to go back to school. I also never said I was an expert on Islam either. As much as you hate religion, I find it interesting that you defend Islam, while bashing Christianity every chance you get. Double standard much?

No. You are wrong. Republicans acted more dignified during Clinton's State of the Union speechs.

He even had to give one in 1998 less than a week after the Lewinsky scandal broke and he went on a bombing spree to get his extramarital blow job off the headlines.

The Republicans at least act classier in public. Remember the Democrats are the party of HATE. Not the Republicans.

..................

P.S. By the way... I am an expert on Islam.

PackRat,

What is wrong with what I said? You live in LaLa land. I live on the East Coast were these problems occur every day, not in Colorado high in the mountains.

They want to destroy us and Western civilization.

They will stop at nothing to accomplish this.

They want the World to live like it is the 14th century.

Bomb them into the Stoneage? What good what that do? They already live in the Stoneage.

Our exhistence is dependant on destroying these terrorists. Being kind to them (like the Democrats want) will never do a dam thing. Ask the Israelis.

We could have already been out of Iraq already if we demolished the country with bombs. That is not our goal. Our Goal is to keep the infrastructure intact (and civilians alive) and to help the Iraqi people rebuild there and instill a democractic form of government.

Stone

Sean,

I have no rage. Kennedy is a POS, just like his two brothers were and their father.

They use the poor and downtrodden as political pawns for their agendas, while they live high off the hog. You think 'ol Ed knows what it is like to be hungry? I doubt it.....

Stone

Is somebody getting angry? Does your diaper need changing? In my eyes no religion is better than the other, and only a brainwashed little curd would think otherwise. Your mother should have held you back a year.

:rolleyes:

I'm leaving most of what you wrote because it is so damn funny.

The Islamic faith accounts for one out of every 4 people on earth. It is the second largest religion in the United States.

If every member of Islam was really bent on killing all americans and destroying Western Civilization, we wouldn't be writing these pathetic little notes on the internet right now. (Plus there's the somewhat comedic notion of millions of Amaericans killing themselves because they are Americans and their faith tells them to kill Americans...)

I think you mean to say that Islamic extremists, which account for a small percentage of Muslims, are bent on terrorism and destruction.

A

I could give a rats ass if you hate the Kennedys or not. My point was sullen faces were also witnessed at Clinton's State of the Union addresses from the Republicans.

You got those figures from an Islamic site:

http://islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm

They are exaggerated and not accurate.

Nonsense. They never took their salary in politics. It was always donated (and still is with red nosed Ted).

Quote:

You think 'ol Ed knows what it is like to be hungry? I doubt it.....

So you have to be poor to even sympathize with them? Guess that makes Dubya just as suspect when it comes to his "compassionate conservativism."

Ummmm no, I didn't. Thanks for playing though.

I can't help but notice that you are in no big hurry to provide what you feel are the right numbers.

And, rather than respond to the points made, in typical Madman fashion, you wander off on a tangent with a bullwhip in search of a dead horse to flog.

-dp

Why should I have to provide you with numbers when your numbers are obviously bullshit.

You claim that 25% of the world is Muslim. Not true. Estimates are more like 1.2 billion at present.

You claim Islam is the second largest religion in America. Also a crock of shit. There are what, maybe 10 million Muslims in America. We have a population between 280-300 million.

I think you need to try again.

How is that dead horse?

OMG you're funny!

What's so funny?

Explain how 10 million people could constitute the second largest religion in America.

Madman, it's obvious that you don't have the info to back yourself up.

PS: In regards to you saying that the statistics were wrong about Islam because they came from an Islamic site, would you also say that a Jewish site that says 6 million Jews were killed by Hitler was a bullshit statistic also?

I'm just using your thought process here. That's all.

My point, which (as usual) sailed through your head without hitting anything of substance, was that all Muslims are not bent on destroying Western Civilization and killing all Americans. This was in rebuttal to some here on this board who seem to adhere to this misconception.

No one knows for sure the exact numbers. My numbers may well have been wrong. But that's not the point.

I'll go with the numbers you provide, they'll do.

If 10 million people, all Americans, really bent on killing all Americans and destroying Western Civilization, we wouldn't be writing these pathetic little notes on the internet right now. (Plus there's the somewhat comedic notion of millions of Amaericans killing themselves because they are Americans and their faith tells them to kill Americans...)

There.

That's a very frightening peice of news. Anyone who belongs to this organization loses all credibility in my mind.

But I'll be Sean likes her! :rolleyes:

Top Ten Religions of the world:

Christianity: 1.9 billion (1 in 3)
Islam: 1.1 billion (1 in 5)
Hindu: 781 million
Buddhist: 324 million
Sikhs: 19 million
Jews: 14 million
Baha'i: 6.1 million
Confucianism: 5.3 million
Jains: 4.9 million
Shinto: 2.8 million

Top Religions of the US (Christianity split somewhat):
Protestant: 56%
Roman Catholic: 28%
Jew: 1%
Everything else: 15%

Source: Information Please Almanac

Let me make a suggestion. Don't post things that "sailed through your head without hitting anything of substance" as facts then turn around and say you made a mistake when called on it. All the while acting like a snot nose kid.

Are you now a propagandist?

First of all WilMac...

Can you go for just one day of your life without being a dick?

No one here uses the "fuck you" smiley more than you do. Cut back a little and try to talk rationally. Stop giving the finger to everything.

Your comparison to the Jews killed by Hitler is ridiculous.

Did you actually read the site http://islamicweb.com/ ? I doubt that you checked it out. It is a propaganda site. I wouldn't believe any statistics posted there.

So..you STILL don't understand my point? Do you use gloves with that bullwhip? It must chafe.

Sad.

I did something that the vast majority of peole arguing politics on the internet never do. I adnmitted I might have been wrong.

Your turn.

Wooohooo! My religion won!

I win!



When does this thread get banished to the ALR?

Sean, I don't think I've ever heard you be so angry, hateful and insulting... are you sure you're not a Deaniac? Are you taking your meds?

What is your point. You posted bullshit and I called it bullshit.

Oh come on! Quit putting words in my mouth Sean. I never said any religion was better than the other. I am not a religious person at all. I can call you stupid and brainwashed for what you believe as well. You still were ASSuming I was talking about all Muslims. Once again, read this slooooowwwwllllyyyy. I said Islamonuts, otherwise known as extremists, terrorists, Jihadis, whatever you want to call them. I never said all Muslims. That is completely ridiculous. I have worked for Muslims that were some of the best people I have ever known. :rolleyes: They would give you the shirt off their back if need be. Getting them to pay overtime was another story though.

This really isn't that hard.

I'll give you some time. Read back through it and think.

Was the main point of the argument the statistics.

Or(HINT)was there something else being said.

Good luck!

Not when I'm your nemisis.

Not really, you said, and I quote: "You got those figures from an Islamic site...They are exaggerated and not accurate."

By the same token, using your argument, if I was to pull a statistic from a Jewish website that said Hitler killed 6 million Jews, you would also call that BS, because it's a pro-Jewish stance. It's your argument, not mine.

I'm sick of everything that's posted that calls out your BS being called "propaganda" by you.

If you don't agree with it, you automatically call it "propiganda," even if all of the evidence says you are wrong.

You're like arguing with a brick wall. Pointless.

Yeah I went there. It's just a site that explains what Islam is. So what? An informational site that explains Islam.

I guess that makes Bible.com propoganda too.

Now you are being nothing but an annoying little dick.

You posted some bullshit facts. I asked you did you get the figures from a certain site. I then said your figures were not accurate...hence the bullshit.

You then accused me of going off on a tangent. In actuality, it is you who have gone off on some tangent.

That's all that happened. What in your mind do you think happened?

Seriously, Sean. Chill out.

That's the second time in a row for you mentioning my name specifically. I'm not the only one here posting nasties you know.

Well since you insist on being on the business end of my wrath, Fuck you! The puss from Dean's pimpled ass has more substance than you've ever posted!

:p

You want a piece of me too?



(Am I missing something here?)

Your last five days' worth of meds, to start with . . .

Naw, I'm just feeling like taking on everyone and everything today...long, nasty day, and i guess I'm just ready for some word wars. hahaha.

No harm, no foul. LOL

I like you, that's why I'll kill you last.

Gents,

This thread was supposed to be about Bush and his State of the Union. How did we get into religion? Lighten up Francis



-dp

You are arguing with yourself here.
You make up some ridiculous comparison and then call it MY argument. You are your own brick wall.

You can't have a debate with anyone by putting words in someones mouth, then arguing that point as if the other person said it.

Getting back to the Islamic web site, I stand by what I said. It is a propaganda site designed for the sole purpose of painting Islam in a glowing light. You can believe whatever you want to believe.

eh...I don't believe it. ABC is a commie media outlet.

Not if I shoot first, punk.

Oh I get it, pig pile on Sean time.

I hear you, I'm in the same mood.

I'm extra spunky today because:

I"LL BE WATCHING THE PATRIOTS TAKE THE SUPERBOWL ON MY NEW 42" PLASMA TV!



Madman,

Care to join me on Superbowl Sunday? Don't forget to bring the Sam's!

It would be nice to watch it on that TV you bought.

If you lived closer I might take you up on it. I'm also rooting for NE.

How and why are we in ALR already? Couldn't you guys play nice and debate without the insults? It always results in namecalling and insults :rolleyes: .

How do you guys function at work when there is a disagreement?
You have to be tolerant of other people's opinions.

Before you know it the thread will locked and deleted.

We were talking originally about last night's S of U address, correct? Lets stay on course...

I cannot stand how everyone (almost everyone ) claps after every sentence. The damn speech would be 25 minutes if he went uninterupted.

Stone

Why's that? The president himself sure as hell isn't.

Yes. We were talking about the speech....... and this junior senator's reaction to everything that was said..

Gents, here's a sexy picture to help calm you down.

-dp

And then everyone applauded StoneCold's Speech.

What does that mean? Please explain. The majority of the country is in favor of the war.

Tolerant means LISTENING to other's opinions. It doesn't mean AGREEING with them. :rolleyes:

Stone

WilMac1023,

What speech? I am just trying to be civil.

You are argue like a 10-year old.

I do not know what you do for a living, but with your debating skills you do not sound like management to me. IMO. If so, I feel sorry for the people working for you if they ever have to express an opposing opinion to yours.

Stone