Are you kidding?? Its biggest advance is its controller that can be swung around the room to imitate a bat or a club? OK...time for Nintendo to drop hardware and go solely to software...
Wii

wow... you must not have watched the Press Event... the vast majority of peopel who watched (myself included) thought very highly of Wii... and more importantly acknowledged that it blew the Sony Press Event and presentation out of the water

I think Sony has screwed up on this one. Once the fanboy rush is over, I think their sales are going to tank. And I think Nintendo stands to make significant headway - they have the price point and they are targeting non-gamers. Not everyone wants to commit 3,000 button combinations to memory to play a game or have fun.

Heck, I can get a 360 and a Wii for a PS3 - may be just what I do...

that is what i am doing.

Sony has nothing I want... especially at that price.

I'm with Splaind on this one. That new Wiinis controller thing is flat out goofy. Of course, I'm also of the opinion that 90% of those games on the DS are goofy too - and way, way, way to child oriented for adults.

Petting a virtual dog with a pen? Blowing into a microphone to 'simulate' CPR? Errrr......no thanks.

I like sports titles, more adult themed games like GTA and first person shooters, so Nintendo is about as far away from my gaming needs as a company can get.

And P.S. - what's the countdown at until we see a video appear on the internet where some guy sucessfully plays a Nintendo game with the wiinis shoved half way up his ass?

Non-gamers shouldn't be critics.

The best games of 2004 and 2005 were on the Cube and PS2. The best games next year will be on Wii and the PS3. Unless of course you define best as "the same old fucking sports and shooter titles ported over from the PC", in which case, Xbox 360 is for you.

i think you're a little off base, Ian.

After watching the E3 Press events, I think you are over rating PS3, at this point it is a ps2 on steroids with a 'me too' controller they couldn't figure out how to make work properly.

But I agree completely about Wii... Hands down it will have the best game play... Problem is silly 'gamers' think its all about the graphics and will bitch about Wii for that reason...

Oh Well, ignorance is bliss

The PS1,2 and now 3 controllers are the best out there. They are a lot more comfortable then the xbox controller. The games on PS have always been better then xbox to which is why I will go with PS3. PS1, PS2 never failed me and I doubt PS3 will do so either. Wii does look like and interesting system but I don't need my controllers and games dumbed down (this will go over big for the non hardcore gamers but I enjoy tons of control).

OK, so to break it down:

Nintendo is still for kids (I'm still pissed when they took the blood out of Mortal Combat)

Sony expects everyone to have an unlimited cash flow to spend on overpriced hardware that will most likely be worthless (blueray) with everyone going to HD.

The 360 now has the GTA series first and will have the most next gen games along with the option to add the hd player later on.

I think my son has a long time until he's playing games, so I'll wait on getting him the Wii. Maybe the next Nintendo system after this... that is if this one does good and they stay in business.

The PS and PS2 (same controller-another waste) are too early Nineties and aren't even close to the same comfort as the Xbox, unless you've morphed your hands and fingers from playing so much. Matter of fact, that's one of the reasons I didn't buy the PS2 after I had the PS because I hated the controller in the first place... why would I want it on a new system? The PS3 controller is tbd though... it looks like it should be pretty comfortable.

the PS3 looks just like the ps2 Dual shock, the boomerang prototype was scrappe dwhen the pictures got bad reactions from netgeeks... but its not... when they heard Wii was motion sensitive they jumped on th e'me too' badwagon... in there Keynote Sony saqid that the controller did not have Vibration because the motion sensor technology was too complicate dot support it...

Problem is the following day Nintendo introduced the Wii Nunchuck... 2 seperate motion sensing controllers... both with Vibration and also with 'Depth of soud'...

Sony got Owned

Sony got owned? Nah.

Nintendo is doing what it always does, go against the norm. The problem is that it has never worked for them. After Super Nintendo (maybe 64), Nintendo's market was it's fan boys. While Sony and Sega turned to games on CD's Nintendo decided to stick to cartridges. Developers didn't like it and so 64 suffocated itself. Then we move on to the next generation of gaming machines, Game Cube, to which once again it went against the norm. Who brought it? The Nintendo fan boys. Now I will say that they might have hit on something new with Wii, appealing to the simpled minded. If it will succeed is yet to be scene.

Sony on the other hand has always been in the front of innovation. They were the first game system which allowed you to played previous generation of games on the newest system. This gave the PS buyers a huge range of titles to choose from. I think that sticking to the same controller from PS1 to PS2 was a smart idea. There was no new learning curve. On PS3 I believe they will be the leader again. Being that it is still a while away I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the pricing on it. Although just about all my gaming is done on computers I will still purchase the PS3. I was never let down by PS1 or PS2 and I highly doubt I will be on PS3.

I don't have unlimited cash flow and I'll still buy it.

Got any proof that everyone's going to HD-DVD?

The best proof so far is Atrac3, minidisk and laserdisks. How'd they do? Anwyay, it's all speculation, but just do some searching on the net. The majority believe that HD will be next. The real decider will be Microsoft and their next version of Windows. Gee, I wonder what that will be.

OMFG, you're right! Sony definitely did get owned because of all the whiners w/ morphed hands are too afraid of improving things. I did not know they scraped this idea which is what I was talking about in my previous statement:



XBox will definitely once again win the comfort factor over the 10+ year old design:



Why not just go with this:

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Don't forget UMD and Beta

absolutely... they had a brilliant design and when they learned nintendo was going motion sensitive they scrapped that design and attempted to one up nintendo by being the first company to announce motion sensitivty... which they were.

BUT, they could not figure out the technology to make a controller motion sensitive and vibrate... and told the world it was too complicate to do... the next day nintendo announced they had done it, plus added depth of sound and an additional motion sensing unit.

add to that their cute demo using a rubber ducky as a violent killing machine... the following day at the MS Keynote...
The head of the Xbox division pulled up his sleeve to show off his Halo2 Tattoo...
"Some guys have rubber ducks, some guys have tattoos... you all thought it was fake last year didn't you... I have a new one to show you"
he pulled up his other sleeve revealing his Grand Theft Auto IV tat and went on to explain their exclusive agreement with Rockstar...

it was not a good day for sony

A fine example of MS strong arming... I'm suprised MS hasn't gotten a patent on prorietary and exclusive

?

what in THE hell are you talking about?

"Mommy, I'm going over to Billy's house to play with his Wii."

Yeah, that's going to go over well.

I can't imagine any of the current console crop doing too well.

360 will do well with the integration of
Live Anywhere... should it actually work... and WHEN, if ever Vista actually comes to market

Sorry but it just pisses me off whenever I see microsoft getting something exclusively for them, because they do that ALL the time. It's their main maketing strategy, lock you(individual or consumer) into them, and only them. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

but you are not mad at the metal gear or Final Fantasy Franchises?

if your gonna be outraged, at least be consistant.

little off topic... does that mean you also dispise Apple and all of their products/

LOL, I was just thinking the exact same thing. That is exactly how Apple is set up.

BTW, I want to play "MLB 06 The Show" on my 360, but can't because it's only exclusive to Playstation. Are you pissed about that too, Chris?

Microsoft pissed me off even before the launch of the Xbox. If you were a PC game player then maybe you remember the way they hyped Halo as a PC game in all the gaming rags for several months. Then after they had gotten all the press and gotten all the PC gamers excited they pulled the bait and switch, anouncing it would be available only on the Xbox.

Sony has thousands of titles for the PS and PS2 this is true. The big problem there is you have to sift through about 100 POS games to find one single gem.

Nintendo has been kid/family geared since the start. The number of titles is limited for sure but luckily a high percentage of them are very fun and playable games.

I will be interested to see how this generation plays out.

If THAT pissed you off, imagine how the Mac "gaming" community felt, since Halo was originaly supposed to hit them first. I hate using Macs, but I have to say, Bungie really bit the hand that fed them (see also: "Marathon")

But no hey lets all be retarded and blame Microsoft because that's what the cool kids do now

Well, I do have to chime in "The Show" is made by 989, which is a division of Sony, so.. Of course it's going to be exclusive..

Actually I am annoyed at Final Fantasy not being on Nintendo because I'm not that interested in the style of games on the PS or Xbox, so I'm not gonna spend the hundreds of dollars on either one. Is MLB a baseball game? I find it rather boring IRL so I don't think I'd want to play it in a game.

I guess I shoudd revise what I said, because your right it is inconsistant to say "you piss me off because of your exclusiveness." Then turn around and go play Ocarena of Time on my Gamecube, especially since Nintendo's blood line is exclusive. As a general, not absolute, rule I don't like proprietary, especially when it locks peopel into their products. I guess I "another exclusive for MS" and got pissed because it sounded like MS abusing their monopoly, again. It still kinda does, why would a game that has always been "cross platform" suddenly switch to xbox exclusive? Thats more the beef than anything because it does sound like MS strongarming people to do it their way. Do you disagree? And if you want examples of MS doing it in other areas I'll be more than happy to provide.

Of crouse, it would be a whole other ball game if MS didn't abuse their monopoly, and actually made a quality product. Which, from my perspective, they do neither and yes I use MS at work and the only way to describe it is that it feels unkept, unpolished, grungy, like something you just don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole but you have no choice. And no I'm not irrational because I do realize that very rarely is something black and white, so yes MS has made some good and useful products, but I choose not to use them because of principles.

Jesus man, you really hate Microsoft don't you?
You know, Nintendo essentially had a "monopoly" in the video game market in the days of NES and the early SNES. The market is so saturated with crappy systems and even crappier games now that Microsoft can hardly be accused of doing anything that hasn't been done by every last one of its competitors in this arena. Sony got PLENTY of exclusives that could have just as easily ran on any other platform. Nintendo always has.

But when Microsoft does it, it makes baby Jesus cry? Okay, so using that logic, if every game was available on every system so that no one had any real advantage over the other, which one would you buy? Exclusive titles are what keeps the consoles competitive. Kudos to Microsoft for realizing this and roping in some actual good titles instead of banking on another Halo debacle.

Besides, more than likely, GTA4 will be about as 'exclusive' as it was on PS2; it'll show up on the XboxO for about 6 months, then trickle out to the PS3, and eventually the PC. Rockstar isn't that stupid.

Gee what made you think I hated Microsoft? And Yes I share a special distaste for MS which I've had pretty much since 3.11/95 time, Why did I not like them back then? Because Windows was so damn unstable I couldn't do crap without something happening to it. And I've used almost every version of windows since then (ie 3.11 95, 98, 98SE, ME, 2k, XP) so It's not like I'm not familiar with MS and their products. Of course I don't really expect people to share my same views or even agree with me, my opinion is soley based on my prior experiences, nor will I appologize for nor retract my opinion.

For some reason you seem to think that I have a problem with monopolies. Cisco pretty much has a monopoly, Apple has the portable media player monopoly, If you want a quality sound card you get a sound blaster... So I never said I had a problem with just a monopoly, if I did I must not have realized it and for that I appologize for the confusion. What I do have a problem is when someone starts to abuse that, for example using one program to force people to use another, which in turn forces them to use another. Example: exchange, you pretty much have to use outlook, and even if some one figures out the protocols for outlook/exchange they change the protocol, thus why it isn't feasable to use kmail or evolution.

Let me clarify what gets me about GTA being exclusive for the Xbox. The GTA3+ has pretty much always been cross platform, PS2, XBOX, PC. So when I hear that all of a sudden it's exclusive to the Xbox I think that smells kinda fishy. I think going from crossplatform to exclusive sucks but there isn't anything wrong with that, but when it's going exclusive to a company that a record of forcing people to their platform it sounds like strongarming and makes me a bit leary. Does that make sense? I don't ask you to agree with me just to understand where I'm coming from.

Of course my strong arm comment is completely void if it isn't exclusive, which I thought some one said earlier in the thread. If thats the case then I appologize.

Eh, okay.

But then, why does anyone care if something isn't hitting the PS3? At $600, is anyone in their right mind actually going to buy one?!

The minute his biased opinion came out, he lost me. I don't understand why people always have to buy based on their personal agenda. I'm always looking for the best product at the best price, no matter who makes it. I own many brand name items (Sony, Microsoft, Panasonic, HP, Apple, etc.). I even own a generic brand flat panel monitor that I've had over 2 years and still love it. I don't care who makes it, just as long as I get the most bang for the buck. I really read the reviews too... I can pick out the biased ones :rolleyes: and unbiased ones pretty easily.

I've always said the majority of the Microsoft haters date back to 3.1 or 95-ME. I was one of them. 2K won me back and XP knocked it out of the park. I run some of the harshest programs and have never had one problem. Still, I will continue to watch the competition. I've used OS X for about a year and had enough... I still much prefer Win XP. I can't wait to see the next gen of both OS's. As far as consoles. I had the PS1 (not much competition). When I saw the PS2 come out with the same controllers (only black), a DVD player and not much else at that price, I was like yeah right. When I saw the Xbox come out with a built-in hard drive, ethernet port, 4 controller ports, etc. for the same price, I was sold. I went ahead and bought the 360 knowing that I'd be able to sell it if I liked the PS3. Once again, they messed up by trying to introduce the next standard format and charging everyone out the wazoo. Change it to HD and a more comfortable controller, then maybe we'll talk.

Funny how you always say everyone should follow their own opinion, not be a brand lover, make informed decisions, but you've been a Xbox apologist from the work go, Nismo.

I liked the PS2. I liked it better than the Xbox. I don't think the 360 is that great. Are some of the games cool? Yeah, they are. I fucking hate Madden on the 360, and I'm a big Madden player. I'm a big Metal Gear player too.

I don't like the controllers on the 360, the controllers on the Playstations work for me. Which is another reason why I go with the Playstation.

You have given me NO credible evidence that HD is going to beat Blu-Ray. None, whatsoever.

You've touting how intelligent you are at making a rational choice and not being a brand follower but you've been doing nothing but touting Xbox's superiority over the Playstation. How do you know? You haven't seen the damn machine yet. Cut the bullshit, you're just as jaded as everyone else.

The PS3 is going to give me the games I want. It gives me the controller I want. I don't give a shit about Blu-Ray or HD at this moment because I don't have an high-definition TV. Yes, the price is high, I don't deny it. But it's not high enough to where I feel completely uncomfortable playing it. Especially if it's a system I can enjoy for years, like I have with the last two Playstations.

Quit being such a hypocrite. It's really getting old.

Um, I do not and will never have a biased opinion towards Microsoft. The minute they fall below the best bang for the buck, I have no problem switching to something else. I thought I made that pretty clear, so maybe if you remove the blinders, you'd see that.
If Sony would have released there's at the same time, it would have been the same game.
It's obviously still up in the air, how can I "prove" it. :rolleyes: Still, you have Mini disk, Laser disk, Atrac-3 and a few others. I'm sorry, but if you haven't realized that Sony only thinks they can make the standard media, you're helpless. Still, these are "gaming" system. I'm still going to buy a player for whatever media wins.
Does it matter that I haven't seen it? I've said numorous times that the game play between all systems will always be the same to the naked eye. I can read all I want about what's in them, along with that little thing called price tag.
Well, it is your money, but let me get this straight. You're willing to pay double for a system that plays the same games? The PS3's price is based off the blueray, and you're not even going to utilize it? Sounds smart to me, I don't know what I was thinking.
You hear that 360 backers? Don't be a hypocrite. It hurts Fried Rice's feelings. Everyone in the world needs to wear the Sony blinders so the Fried Rice's of the world don't get hurt in anyway.

Yeah, I got the blinders on just as much as you do, pal. Only difference is mine says Sony while yours says Microsoft.

Sony didn't release shit. EA released Madden. They changed the way certain things were done on Madden on the 360. If such things like the playbook and whatnot are the same from here on out, I'm going to have to adjust or look for a new football game. I just didn't like it.

Um, you're the one touting the doom of Blu-Ray to HD. I haven't decided who's going to win what yet. Nor do I really care at this point of the game, though I probably will in the future when I can afford more expensive toys.

I do realize the mistakes Sony has made in the past. Are they bullheaded when it comes to media format? Yep. But they even lost when their format was superior. See Beta vs. VHS for that.

Good for you. You buy what makes you happy, I'll buy what makes me happy. And yes,it does matter to me if I see it. I want the system controllers and gameplay in my hands, so I can have a first hand look at it.

Funny thing is, you touted how the Xbox was a superior product to the Playstation 2. Now you tout that the 360 is better than the PS3. Specifications aside, gameplay will be the same to the average consumers naked eye, as you mentioned. Yet the PS2 crushed the Xbox in sales. Must be all those people with the Sony blinders on, eh? Yeah, the same people that didn't buy Mini-Disk, ATRAC-3, etc.

In an era of cross platforming, games are going to become more exclusive. Xbox has GTA and Halo, Sony has Metal Gear and SOCOM. Whatever anyone's opinions are of those games, I know what I like. I like Metal Gear and SOCOM, I don't particularly get all kinds of excited for GTA and I think Halo is the most overrated piece of shit in gaming history. But that's me.

Yeah Nismo, you really hurt my feelings. I weep in my corner everytime I read your posts.

Okay.

This thread got way off topic.

Moved to alr as requested.

Ding ding round one

Penis

I can play too :-)

LOL, are you talking about where I sent you a PM wondering why a thread would get locked as oppose to going to the ALR? That can't be it because you haven't read it yet, so who was it? Besides, the thread was just barely off-topic compared to the crap I see in other forums. Oh well, it's in the ALR now. Not going to be much fun considering it's a nerd war, but I'll gladly respond.
Yours says "Sony" while mine says "$aving $$$". I could care less about Microsoft... I care about the most bang for the buck.
I know it's EA's game, I was saying that if the PS3 was out, it would be the same game that was on the 360. It always is. It's not the 360's fault that it was bad like you implied. I was just saying that it would have been no different on the PS3.
I'm not touting, just stating the facts... big difference. I'm not saying it's 100% sure, but the facts and history show otherwise. And if someone listens to me without conducting their own research, that's their own fault.
Personally, I liked the minidisk idea over CD's, but I'm glad I waited to see if it caught on.
Now that I did. Both were out and it was clear as day. You got a lot more with the Xbox. The PS2 was just a PS1 with better graphics and a DVD player. However, you were able to buy "addons" to make it have all the same stuff that you got out of box from the Xbox. By then, you were double the price of the Xbox.
Better? No. They will be the same as far as gameplay goes. However, it blows my mind that someone will buy a system that has a jacked up price because of the blueray player, and you're not even going to use it. Like I said, it's your money, but still. I also said it's better because I'm spending a little now on the 360 and a little later on the player that "wins". Why would I throw all my eggs in one basket, especially when history shows me it fails? I'd be very pissed if I did buy that minidisk player.

As far as P2 sales... well, duh! That's not even a valid point. PS2 was released a year before the Xbox. PS2 has a lot more loyal fans over the globe. Considering the market and time the Xbox initial release date, the Xbox did extremely well. This generation will be more of a fair battle (domestically).
The one thing that almost got me back to the PS was the GTA series. I always had to end up playing that on the PC (couldn't wait for the Xbox version). Now, no longer. I felt the same way as you on Halo, but I've been playing it alot lately (for some odd reason it puts my son to sleep when I hold him and play) and I've gotten shockingly good. It's a lot more fun that I thought. I can kick my own ass and anyone elses with a keyboard and mouse, but it's definitely awesome for what it is. I'll admit that I never played Metal Gear or Socom, but I'm sure they are fun games as well.
Then quit whining when someone disses "your" system. Oh wait, we're in the ALR... Fried Rice Mofo, you fuckin' piece of shit. I'll come over there and kick the shit out of you if you buy a PS3. It's people like you that ruin this great country by buying foreign crap you liberal piece of crap. You're probably an athiest mother fucker too. Hmm, I think that about covers the ALR requirements.

Leave it to you two shitheads to get a VIDEO GAME post sent to the ALR!!

"I'm always right!"
-"Uh-uh, I am! You're a poo-poo head!"
"Nooooooo! Whatever you say bounces off me and goes right back to you!"

Chowdahead! My computer can kick your computers ass! Now, don't you have to go watch the playoffs of figure skating, soccer and dicks w/ sticks rolled into one sport?

I disagree, Donkey Kong is the best game ever.

It was me nismo I got it in email. I just havn't taken the time to look at it here. Now you should be happy.

And the arguing is for the alr not the basement. discussions yes arguing no.

Wow, a fight over video games.

I think we need to start a new topic for the ALR.

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I am a dumb-shit that can only post stupid shit to really old posts adding nothing of value at all.

So yes, I AM a dumb-ass.