The media crucified Trent Lott for complimenting Strom Thurmond and he didn't even say anything derogatory, and still lost his job. Bustamante and Byrd are racist piles of poo. Hell Byrd used to be a klansmen for christ sakes!

You are making our point for us. Are apologies only good when liberals make them? :rolleyes:

Short attention span there?

The point is we were discussing double standards.

How many times did Trent Lott apologize? He even went on a week long "apology tour". Because he was a Republican, no one in the media gave two shits if he was sorry and he never said anything even remotely as bad as these guys previously mentioned. He never even said anything racist. It was twisted and contorted out of context to appear racist. He had to step down from his leadership post and many wanted him to resign the Senate all together.

Same with Rush on ESPN.

It's all part of the double standard. The double standard is an example of bias in the media.

Double standard in YOUR mind. Lott only apologized when the pressure was on for a LONG time. Byrd and Bustamante apologized immediatly. They knew what they did was wrong, and admitted as much. They didn't wait for three days after.

There is no double standard, and therefore, you have no point.

PS...I think Rush is getting a raw deal by the way.

You lefties are a pisser.

You are very consistent and predictable with your hypocrisy.

Yet, you didn't counter my argument. You made yet another blanket statement about liberals. Come on, give me a counter argument. Try harder.

I agree on this one. The double standard is everywhere. It is OK for minorities to have groups based on their race, but if some white dudes try it they are labeled racists by the media. Three days is such a LONG time. :rolleyes: The only reason he apologized is to apease the hypocrit racists. He didn't think he did anything wrong. Unfortunately for him, his apology looked like an admission of guilt and they jumped on him for it. The double standard makes people scared to voice their opinions even if their opinion is not racist. Saying that affirmative action is wrong for example is in no way racist, but if a conservative politician does it they are automatically labeled racist by the left.

Heston is a perfect example of this. What Moore did to him in that 'documentary' of his was bullshit. Heston is in no way a racist. He marched with MLK at the beginning of the civil rights movement. Moore tried to twist his words to make him appear to be racist.

Counter argument to what? Most of the thread is a counter argument. You're being hypocritical in your argument. That's your answer.

Go back and read the thread again if you want a counter argument. Your answer regarding the Democrats and the N word vs Lott and his non-racist remark wasn't an answer.

I wouldn't even call Moore's work "documentaries". It's propaganda.

Of course it is propoganda. Hell the movies is chock full of flat out lies. That is why I put quotes around the word 'documentary'.

You can't use the fact that he marched as proof he isn't. I personally think *everyone* is to a degree, whether they want to admit it or not. Strom Thurmond had blacks on his staff - did that automatically make him non-racist?

There is no real way to prove whether you are or whether you aren't. It's simply something you know yourself.

HOWEVER, you do have to be careful what you say in a public forum - especially if you are a public figure.

(For the record - I've never seen Bowling For Columbine, so I don't really know what Heston said.)

Why is it OK for libbies to call everyone that disagrees with them in the least a racist then? I think a white Hollywood actor marching with a black man in the beginning of the civil rights movement shows Heston's beliefs very well. You have to realize how unpopular this was with Heston's audience, the crackers.

Sorry.. didn't catch the quotes. I know you know Moore's work is BS. The liberals know it is BS too.

Look, I'm not going to say what they did was right. But every link you sent said that they apologized immediatly. (Go back and read them. Your own facts hang you.)

Lott, on the other hand, exposed himself quite openly when he said that "If Sen. Thurmond had been elected, we wouldn't have had all of these problems today."

Now, honestly, he might have not even known what he was saying. But he should have. Because he made the SAME comment a couple of years before at a press conference, and was called to the carpet then too! He didn't learn his lesson.

On top of that, he took three days to apologize for his comments. There IS NO double standard. The two that you cite immediatly apologized profusely. Lott, on the otherhand, begrudgingly (that means "to give or expend with reluctance" Madman. I don't want to have to explain it to you later.) offered his apology only when Republican leaders asked him to, under much pressure.

The difference is the heart, and I don't see Lott having one.

Rush was hired by ESPN to make news. Many people like Rush alot. Many people dislike Rush alot. Either way, both of those groups will be listening to every word he says. ESPN got exactly what they were looking for. Now everyone is talking about ESPN and I am sure their ratings are up.

That last line was classic. He doesn't have a heart. Nice try. How about the fact that Bustamante belongs to a racist organization? This is generally ignored by the media, while if a white conservative candidate belonged to something similar he would be crucified?

WHAT DID LOTT SAY THAT WAS RACIST EXACTLY? WHY IS IT OK FOR A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TO BE A FORMER MEMBER OF THE KKK? WHY IS IT OK FOR GANGSTERS LIKE JESSE JACKSON TO HOLD UP COMPANIES FOR MONEY?

The man chose to resign, nobody forced him to leave. Disney and ESPN knew who they hired and should have been prepared to back him up if necessary. I'm glad he quit though. NFL Sunday Countdown was the wrong forum for his particular brand of commentary.

Sure he did. I would bet money the asked for his 'resignation'. We all know how that one works.

I wasn't speaking about that. I was talking about that the actual story itself was being blown way out of proportion.

I thought Rush spoke his mind? Is he so afraid of ESPN that he can't say he was asked to leave? Wouldn't that play right into his hands to say he was asked to leave?

Dunno. That is total speculation by me. Of course you could look at it as he is being a good guy by resigning to protect ESPN. I dunno really. I wouldn't have quit myself.

Limbaugh said ESPN not prepared for reaction

"According to Limbaugh, just after his comments, ESPN officials agreed with him that he had said nothing wrong. But as the firestorm over his comments mushroomed, it became clear to him that the situation was getting too hot for ESPN, he said.

Limbaugh said his on-air colleagues felt uncomfortable after they were criticized this week for not responding to his comments during the show.

"The path of least resistance became for me to resign at ESPN," Limbaugh said. "

Well then there is the good guy angle I was talking about.

Limbaugh did the right thing here. Instead of fighting it, he resigned for the good of others.

Guess Limbaugh is becoming more of a socialist by the day.