You can not be clued in, that is an impossability to which I have not the time nor the patience to attempt.

Sure, at one time a large part of the target was distinguishable, but there were always small factions that would rear their ugly heads. If you think for one moment that going into Iraq has complicated the situation, then you are mad. There is no easy solution, there may be no solution, it certainly wont come to light here.

The deal is our enemy has no care in the world, they do not respect life, child, women, or elderly. They dont understand law at the higher level, only that in war there is no rules.

THey have set the pace, outlined the rules of engagment, I have no answear, but I can tell you with no hesitation that when I was in the Army and if I were there now, there would be no conversation to be had, my goal would be to kill and to survive.

The rules of war are easy, if you have never experienced them then you can not relate.

Call me what you want, when the shit hits the fan there is no written law to dictate how I should/will act. I unwillingly will answear only to the laws of nature, if I am one of the strong then I will survive, if not then so be it.

As a morgage broker that sits behind his desk all day I don't expect him to be able to relate, and that is fine. That is the reason that he is so liberal. I welcome people like him, because that is what makes America a great place! People are free to think and say what they want, and I respect the fact that he does.

Have you ever even been outside the country Anderair? While people like airbornenurse and I volunteered multiple years of our lives to defend, support, and protect the rights of all Americans, you were brewing up your ideas of how America is such a horrible place.

Why is it that you attack America and our way of life? Why is it that you always look for the negative and the conspiracy in everything and not be content with the positive. Sure, America isn't perfect...but we try our hardest to help people and please everybody. What state would the world be in right now if America didn't exist? Where would you live? You might live under a dictatorship like the previous one in Iraq. Would the Jewish race still be around? Take a trip to a foreign country, maybe go over to Bahrain or Israel. I guarentee you come back a changed man.

The liberal/socialist ideology is very simple to understand. Let me explain. To a liberal they are right and you are wrong for believing the way you do. Sorry but that is not correct. You may disagree with me all you want but i'll be damned if you are going to tell me i am wrong for thinking the way I do. We are all wrong to someone. What matters now is what is best for our country, not the world, but the United States of America.

I don't believe Washington ever said that. Where did you hear that?

But he DID say this:

"The common and continual mischief of the spirit of Party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it."

And:

"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government."

The film of the man being de-capitated may very well be fake...Maybe another government backed ploy to fire up whatever, whoever?

I say it might be faked because their is no blood anywhere...What could be up with that? Maybe the alleged American was already dead...that could explain the lack of blood gushing everywhere?

As graphic and horible a thing it was to do, much less film, it may be the latest US government "bad" film.

What???

Are you kidding? The body arrived in the United States yesterday.

Ah, the us vs. them argument. You are spewing the same shit that GWB uses whenever someone disagrees with him - attack them as un-American. I love the 'holier than thou' attitude. You and that arrogant clown Bush obviously have all the right answers for the world. We'll see who is still standing in November. Have a good day.

Have you been reading many of the threads?

"The conservative/Republican ideology is very simple to understand. Let me explain. To a conservative, they are right and you are wrong for believing the way you do."

Every political ideology thinks it's the right ideology, and the "other side" is out of their fucking minds.

Just trying to understand this....

Personally, I am outraged at his murder and the manner he was killed. It speaks volumes about the people who did this. What upsets me the most is that this guy was supposed to be there to help rebuild the country and traveled there supposedly for altruistic reasons. You would think that the people who he came to help would have done the most to help him. It probably was not smart to be there since his safety could not be guaranteed.

what is Nick Berg's story? I know he wasn;t one of the paid contractors from KBR or Halliburton. I read that he was an independant contractor who went to Iraq to help build communication antenaes and look for work. I read that he taught the local Iraqis how to make bricks out of available material. He was Jewish but they say he had an Iraqi relative(in law) who he was in contact with. Because he was Jewish, he was probably going to be killed anyway. He was missing since April 9th an probably had been killed earlier than when the video got released.

One funny thing I have noticed-the people who did the crime said it was revenge in response for the Abu Gharib prison stuff. But it has had the opposite intended effect which it has deflected attention AWAY from it. It seems like the pan Arab media is trying ignore the story altogether. One thing they say is true, it makes me(and I am sure alot of other people) less sympathetic toward the cause of the anti US groups. Part of me hopes that this will be the end of the killing but I know that;s wishful thinking.

Smoking the bowl again?

There's blood all over the place.

Your right Graham, but my side is the one that is supporting American and supporting the troops. That is the difference.

Guam. He taught people in Guam how to make bricks, not Iraq. Point is, and I mean no disresepct, is that he never had any business being there. Praise him for his charitable causes, but Iraq is no place to go and give hugs right now. Regardless, the people who murdered him are animals and should be hunted and killed as such.

Black and white much?

I'd love to live in your world. American politics can be neatly divided into two camps? Such bliss!

Politics cannot be divided so easily. Certainly, the issues surrounding such a complex situation like the war in Iraq can be divided even less easily . . .

The world is not black and white. Never has been. Nothing but complex, subtle, ever-changing shades of gray . . .

It's made a left-right issue by the left and that's the problem. I'm not saying we should all be sheep and agree with everything that this administration does, but be a little more careful what we say because the world is watching. I'm so grateful that I'm not a soldier in another country right now. With the liberal media making the American soldier look so untrustworthy and claims from the left that this is turning into another Viet Nam, it's no wonder so many of our troops are being killed. I will never be able to imagine what they have been through or what they will continue to go through. It takes a special person to continue fighting for what they believe in with such little support from an administration with its hands bound by a rope of political correctness.

That's a crock of shit Graham and you know it.

That's the moral relativist outlook. That's the outlook of non-comittal cowardice.

The world isn't that complex. There are those that wish to muddy things and portray everything as complex but that says more about them than it does about the world. It's an unwillingness to face the reality of the world around you.

This reminds me of a quote from Dante Alighieri .... "The worst place in hell is reserved for those who are neutral in times of crisis".

That's a simplistic viewpoint. Look at it this way:

We can all agree that water is good. But sometimes, without you knowing it, water can be bad if it has bacteria in it that gives you the trots. You can't see the bacteria, so when you drink it, it's good. It's not until later that you find out it's bad. So, a glass of water can be both good and bad. You can't say all glasses of water are bad if only one causes you to get sick. Therefore everything is a gray. It could be good, it could be bad. It depends on the situation.

Can anyone tell I just got back from my Costa Rican honeymoon with a nasty case of the green apple splatters?

I should have been wearing my boots before I read this post. Welcome back Wilmac...

Congratulations on your wedding. (I was wondering why you weren't around lately).

Your analogy is not very good.

Boil all your water for 10 minutes then you never need to worry about whether it is good or bad again. A simple solution to YOUR complex problem.

I would also recommend boiling terrorists for 10 minutes.

I think 20 minutes makes them safer. This shades of gray bullshit is the difference between the left and the right. One believes in good and evil, right and wrong, while the other believes in nothing.

Only a simpleton believes everything can be neatly categorised as right and wrong. All sides in all conflicts think they are right and the other side is wrong. Sometimes the morality is obvious, usually it is not. The complexities of morality are what makes religion so attractive to those who prefer not to, or lack the ability to make their own decisions.

lemsip is an anagram of simple . . .

I am not saying everything is right or wrong. Some situations are complex. Not everything is a shade of gray. Most things aren't.

Try living in El Paso you get used to bad water. I can now put just about anything in my stomach and have it come out in solid form, hahaha. As for the black/white and gray stuff it's simply a matter of perspective. All issues can be broken down to their roots and given a black/white label. That however, does not account for many of the complex issues that will evovle from the root issue. In example the war with Iraq. Do we attack them Yes/No or Black/White. Now the question is what to do now, obviously the Gray area. In truth Republican Democrat they are all a bunch of lying scum that would sell their own Mothers into prostitution if it helped their political agenda. Beseides we all know that national politics is run by Oil Compaines, Pharmacuetical (SP Sorry?)Compainies and the CIA!!!!

Were you referring to Clinton here? When did he become a Republican???

Of course there are gray areas. The problem I have with Liberals is that it seems they see everything as gray areas. Sometimes you have to chose a side, even if one side is not 100% right.