Why do you think we are trying to force the Israelis to deal with a man we would kill in a heartbeat if we were in their situation? This is the one thing that completely irritates me about our foreign policy at the moment. We rightfully hunt down and kill terrorists, but we want the Israelis to negotiate with the grandaddy of all terrorists. WTF?

I totally agree. Israel should be allowed to practice the same policies we are implementing.

Yeah, that's a GREAT plan. Because it's worked SO WELL for us. Bin Laden still out there, Saddam still on the run...

Using your argument, the Isralies wouldn't even know where Arafat WAS!

Are you accidentally forgetting to take your meds?

But it's OK for Madman to go off, huh? I see you're just as hypocritical as usual.

:rolleyes:

I don't care what these Philistines say about you, all I have to say is welcome to XOC WilMac1023! We need more people like yourself to even things up around here.

Yeah why is Arafat still alive?

Let's have the lefties on the board answer this question. They are the ones who support him.

We haven't been attacked again, and Saddam is no longer running Iraq. Catching a single individual on foreign soil is difficult. This argument has no merit really.

'cause the Israelis have let him?

Seriously though... I think that there are several reasons. At one point, there was belief that he actually was interested in finding peace. Obviously he isn't (or is indifferent to the point of effectively being guilty of not wanting it). Also, I'm sure there's pressure from us not to kill him. And, I think the Israelis themselves are a little unsure of doing it - not that it's not bad enough now, but killing him would open up an even bigger can of worms.

Just my opinion.

Why is that Moby?

Just edited it.

I just wanted to hear your reasons for the fact that he is still breathing.

Yes... The U.S. government has protected him. Let's not forget about the European dirtbags. Anti-Semitism had a lot to with it in the beginning.

No... I don't think anyone who is grounded in reality ever thought that Arafat ever wanted peace. That was wishful thinking on their part. Everyone knows the truth now. I actually think the saner element of the Palestinians want him gone.

Oh hell. He is a fucking dirtbag, and does not deserve to breathe our air. This guy has been a rejectionist from the start. His uncle, who is a Palestinian hero, conspired with Hitler to wipe out the Jews, and incited violence against the Jews time after time. People wonder why Sharon refuses to deal with him. He knows the truth, thats why.

The thing that I really can't understand is that even though no terrorist has ever got what they wanted (at least as far as I know...maybe one did somewhere), they continue to do it.

I just don't understand why. I mean...so bin laden wants us out of the middle east. OK, so that is what he wants. But is he so clueless to not see that only when it's been done peacefully (MLK, Ghandi) has protest really had a major effect?

If there were peace, would we have a need to have troops over there at all? If they were to get along peacefully, couldn't we let them go on about as they wish?

Why is it that they can't understand that?

I dunno...maybe I'm just rambling.

He'd be dead already by the IDF if they kept the same honor code as the PLO. Make no mistake, the IDF had several opportunities to end him by means of a large ordinance. Many innocent lives would have been lost to positioning of Arafat. You see, the Israelis won't hesitate to kill two of their fighters for every one Soldier lost. When the lives of innocents are at stake, they cannot however react as perhaps their enemies would. Sharon was a "tanker". He will not hold back much longer.

Hell they could have killed him each day for the last few years. We could loan them one daisy cutter, and BOOM no more terrafat compound. I think Sharon is going to give this new 'government' a chance to do the right thing. If they don't he will finish the problem. I still think that they need to just march through the territories and kill anyone who raises a weapon to them. Eventually people will stop wanting to die for their cause, and give up. Then and only then will there be peace in the region.

Look, if you kill Arafat, you'd have more chaos in the middle east than you do already now that Saddam is out of power. Look at what's going on in Iraq. Complete and utter lawlessness. If Arafat were to go, the entire Islamic middle east would rise up and kick Israel's ass, and we'd be there right in the middle of it. Unless Arafat dies of natural causes, we're up shit creek because of our alliance with Isreal.

Yes ... I agree. I think he is a dirtbag and should be in a million pieces all over his compound in Ramallah. He will burn in hell eventually.

I do think that the West has propped him up for too many years. Because of that Israel is between a rock and a hard place. I have no doubt they wanted to kill him 30 years ago but they were stopped by Western governments including our own.

Have you ever noticed though that the only American presidents who kissed his ass were Democrats. Guess who was probably the most frequent visitor to the White House during Clinton's years?

Exiling him won't work. No other country wants him. He is too much trouble. Besides he can still run his terror operation abroad just like he used to do from Tunis.

I say... Let the chips fall where they may and exile him or kill him .... preferrably both. Bush is protecting him not only out of fear of the "so-called" Arab street, but out of fear of Arafat's Western European supporters.

We all know the other Arab countries don't give two shits about the Palestinians. They just use them in their anti-Israeli bullshit which by default leads to anti-American bullshit.

It wouldn't be smart for us to conspire to outright kill him now because of the war on terror. Middle Eastern insanity would explode.

If he were to suddenly die of a heart attack soon... well maybe that's the ticket.

Are you serious with that comment. Bin Laden just hates us and wants to kill. That is all. He has absolutely no political objectives. Any objectives he claims is only for the purpose of enlisting supporters.

Bwahahahahah. Read your history book again sonny. The Arab world already tried to defeat Israel and got their asses kicked. If they tried it again the ass whooping would be even worse.

If someones primary belief is that you have no right to exist, why would you try to deal with them. If you have tried to deal with them repeatedly, and they repeatedly rejected every reasonable thing you offered, why would you try to deal with them.

Iraq is better off than you believe. By the time we are done there the country will be MUCH better off than it ever was under Saddam's brutal fist.

Oh really. What the hell are you reading? Too much Robert Scheer I think.

Life in Iraq is not that bad now. Things are getting better every day.

There are a lot of terrorists who have entered the country, but there is not utter lawlessness.

You are fucked up...

Good God, you have no idea what you are saying here. Fanatics will ALWAYS be here. There will always be SOME lunatic that overdoses on the Koran or the Bible or the Torah and blow up other people in the name of God. As a Christian, I'm appalled at those that would kill abortion doctors in the name of religion. But those people are ALWAYS GOING TO BE AROUND. There will never be peace in the middle east because there will always be a high ratio of fanatics over there. It's always been that way, and it always will be.

The other side of it is that we cannot continue to support Isreal in the manner that we have. Read the UN Charter of 1948. The UN TOOK LAND that the Palestinians have lived on since 1187. In 1948 The Jews claimed the establishment of a state for themselves over the land of Palestine and called it Israel. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were forced out of Palestine under the military pressure of Jewish terrorist groups such as the Irgun, Levi, and Haganot which were financed and armed by the British army. This is what scares the Muslims in the middle east--that we are the new empire that is going to force them out of their rightful land.

Because of this, if there is ever to be peace in the middle east, we cannot support the nation of Isreal like we have. We have to negotiate with both sides to share the land. As long as one powers over the other, they cannot live in harmony. It's just the way it is.

I disagree with you there man. I understand the point, but think about this. If he were in Albany, and was supporting suicide bombers in New York city would you feel the same way? This is the base of the 'maybe they will leave us alone if we ignore them' argument.

Another note about the first time the Arabs tried to destroy Israel. They used American Shermans with updated French guns. How ironic, eh?

But would he hate us to the degree he does if we weren't there?

I guess bringing him into this conversation wasn't wise. He's just a nutcase. Back to the Israeli situation... the people in Hamas and such - do they not realize if things were peaceful, they may get a little more to their liking? Obviously, Israel is here to stay, so they might as well give up on trying to oust the Israelis.

I'm going to reprint an email from a friend of mine that goes to my church. He is working as an interpreter with the companies that are looking for the WMD's. You can sense the sarcasm in his voice.

Three days later, I got this email from his wife.

Yeah. Sounds like things are REALLY looking better every day.

"01 fronty's so right Leader after leader, faction after faction, nation after nation, Israel has overcome any attacks, including all eastern and Arab nations at once, it's called the "three day war". Get it? THREE DAYS.

Wrong again. The current situation has not always been. After the first wave of Jewish immigrants inhabited the area, the Jews and Arabs lived side by side quite peacefully. The Jews bought large quantities of the land they now inhabit from rich Arabs. This land was often purchased at outrageous prices. Much of the land was largely uninhabited. It was a wasteland of swamps and deserts. The Jews drained the swamps, built a medical and educational infrastructure, had a working media, and actually helped the plight of the resident Arabs.

The land was again largely owned by the Jews, and there was a Jewish majority there. The Arabs had already been given 4/5 of Palestine by the Brits, which they still have today.

Again not really true. Small groups like the Irgun were not Israeli sanctioned military units. After they committed some particularly gruesome acts they were disarmed by the Israelis. The war in 1948 was not started by the Israelis, it was started by the Arabs. They planned to kill all of the Jews. The Arab League called for it, and Husseini called for the Arabs to "Murder all the Jews". Israel never had a policy of moving out the resident Arabs. Arab leaders forced many of the residents to leave, and most left before they ever saw a single Israeli soldier.

Most of the so called refugees had not lived in the same place for more than a year or two. A lot of them ended up moving a few miles away. The UN actually redefined what a refugee is just for these people. In 1948 Israel defended their legal right to exist.

Sure we could quit supporting Israel and let the Arabs wipe them out. That would be a solution to the problem. Do you advocate this solution to the Jewish problem? Negotiating is all well and good, but you have to have a partner to negotiate with. The 'Palestinians' have repeatedly rejected a two state solution time and time again. Their solution is to kill all the Jews and take over Israel. It all started when the Brits gave Husseini power. He used terrorism to get what he wanted then, and his nephew is still trying to do it 80 years later.

Wasn't it the Six Day War? (Or am I forgetting a less famous one?) Not that there's much difference in the two, of course.

Hey WilMac1023....

Be a little more specific. What company is looking for WMD's? Are they in a race with the American army? Do you really mean an NGO and not a company?

Besides... If he is a friend of yours, I'm sure he thinks the same way as you.

Of course there are attacks on soldiers and Westerners over there. Almost 100,000 terrorists from other countries have entered Iraq. All in the name of jihad against the West. But Iraq is VERY, VERY far from lawlessness.

Don't believe me. There are soldiers on XOC who post from Iraq all the time. They will tell you it is not as bad as you and the other lefties are portraying things.

2001frontier..... Good post.

Don't waste too much time arguing about Israel with WilMac1023. I think you know what I mean.

Let's not forget that 20% of Israel's current population is Arabs and they live in totla equality and harmony with the Jews. They also have positions in the government.

Israel could kick the living shit out of all their neighboring countries. They already have. Jordan will never fight them again. Egypt is scared shit of them and Israel only has 6 million people. That's today's population.

Oh, I went away for the weekend. :rolleyes: Did the war go on THAT long..
my bad.

Now that was funny!

How'd you get a three day weekend anyway? Damn...I wish I had those.

That's like saying that Blacks were living in total equality and harmony with Whites in the 1950's.
If they're so happy why do they fight back?

Back to the main topic Arafat. Alot of Palestinians have voiced that they don't want him representing them, but they don't really have a system to vote in somebody better. It's like our system of having to choose between two zero's for president except they only have one person to choose from.

The way to fix the Israel/Palestinians situation is to try to get the two sides from fighting (duh, obviously, that's the definition of peace). But Naziesque tactics of rolling tanks through and killing anybody that opposes won't work.

First try to get Arafat out of the picture or shuffle him to the backgoround till he can be replaced.

Next quit giving Israel $3 Billion a year. We can't be a mediator if we take sides.

Finally tell everybody involved to lay down their arms and work towards peace. If they want to protest, do it peacefully; it works alot better than force and results in less deaths.

As an incentive we can spilt the $3 Billion we give to Israel between the two sides in a new version of the Marshall Plan. All money goes to public works and rebuilding cities, no more funding foreign militaries. We'll even give an additional half a billion to whichever side helps the other out the most. As americans we're already giving 4 cents a paycheck to this region, I'd like my money to go towards fixing Israel/Palestine, rather than destroying it.

After everybody starts to play nice with each other and calms down we can discuss writing up plans for two independant free states.

Nobody has to be run into the ocean.

Thats a cheery plan and all, but it is totally unrealistic. The reality is the militant arabs have no interest in peace at all. They have rejected two state offers since shortly after the end of WW1, even when the offers were totally slanted in their favor. The Israelis would have no problem living peacefully with the arabs.

I would like to ask everyone to take a look at this site. It shows very clearly were the Muslim terrorism came from. It illustrates nicely the problem with Arafat. If you check it out you will see how similar Arafat and UBL are. After reading the information tell me why Israel should negotiate with this guy, when none of us would claim negotiating with UBL would be fruitful.

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com

The Arabs that live in Israel aren't fighting anyone. They are Israeli citizens. The Palestinians are the ones doing the fighting. Are you sure you know anything about what's going on over there?

We give the same amount of money to Egypt that we give Israel. We give money to the Palestinian Authority also. We can't give them the same amount of money we give the Israeli's because they have never proven their worthiness. Arafat's secret bank accounts and 900 million in a European bank doesn't help the Palestinian's situation either.

We need to close our (US) check book and go home.

He is still alive because if WE went over and killed him, the liberal politcal correct society would be up in arms, i mean trees. We should put every Democrat in California and see how they fair.

That's just stupid. The extremists in the Democratic party are ruining it. Guys like Lieberman, that I still disagree with on certain issues, are at least reasonable. Moby is a perfect example of this. He is reasonable, while someone like Xterrapin is not.

Yes I know it is stupid, but it would prove a point to all involved. I have nothing against the Dems personally, well OK, some of them, but I just cannot stand anything they stand for. They have destroyed this country. They have destroyed this society. They have destroyed this culture. All in the hope of making one group of people happy while pissing off every other group. Then next week doing the same thing for the group they pissed off.

See, the whole problem is extremists on BOTH ends. Wishy washy as it may be, there is a happy medium in between that seems to be impossible to reach because of the extremists.

You've got someone like Sharpton who needs to shut the hell up, and people like Rush Limbaugh who needs to shut the hell up. These guys cause more polarization than most people, and it simply continues the destruction.

You've got people like ELF on the left, and the idiots who think it's perfectly acceptable to murder an abortion doctor on the right. Conservatives will hook on ELF to show what's so bad about the left, and liberals will hook on the murderers to show what's so bad about the right.

Maybe if the two sides would just set aside all the bullshit and figure things out, the future would look a little better.

A team that gets fined because they don't "consider" enough minorities - that's bullshit. But so is the argument that welfare should be gotten rid of.

OK...I'm done rambling....

I'm not sure I agree that Al Sharpton is as polarizing as you claim. Most people just ignore his rantings. I do. But one thing about Al is he is very entertaining to watch. He's got a personality. He's a waste of flesh... but an entertaining waste of flesh.

Hillary Clinton is a much more polarizing figure.

Rush only pisses off liberals and they can always just change the channel. The truth is a large part of Rush's audience IS LIBERALS who listen to hear what he will say next. As a conservative I wish he would talk about more of the real issues that face our country today. Not just Republican issues. That's my complaint about Rush.

Rush is afraid of offending Republicans and someone needs to light a match under their ass. They are doing nothing to combat the liberal insanity that is destroying this country.

You're grouping militant arabs with peace loving arabs. By far the majority of the world just wants peace, why do you think Palastinians are any different? Have you been there? No, you just watch pictures on our fear and destruction oriented news of a bunch of Palastinians throwing rocks at Israeli tanks and assume that all Palastinians are like that. Most just want the suffering to end.

Grouping one set of people based on the actions of a few is the cause of most problems in and out of the US.

The people of Afghanistan aren't terrorists, their ex-leaders and a few fundamentalists are.

The people of Iraq aren't terrorists, their ex-leader, his buddies, and a few fundamentalists are.

Palastinians don't love war, a few extremeists who like to kill their "opressors" do.

Arabs don't hate america, a few brainwashed individuals do. Go to your local Mosque and ask the people comming out if they hate america. The majority of Muslims belive that anybody who commits Jihad or any other murder goes straight to hell.

Conservatives aren't morons, just a vocal minority are.

Liberals aren't whackos, just a vocal minority are.

Damn it! When are people going to quit putting labels on on each other just so we have a new group to hate?

You ASSume a lot here. I never grouped all arabs with militant arabs. That is why I said "militant arabs" to begin with. :rolleyes: You are missing an important distinction though. MOST Palestinians support groups like Hamas, and Islamic Jihad. Have you not seen the polls that have been done. They also support their rejectionist leader Arafat.

No way really? Maybe that is why we are killing the ex-leaders and fundamentalists.

Again no shit. That is why Saddam is no longer in power there.

When did I say they love war? You sure like putting words in people's mouths. I have been trying to illustrate the true historical reasons that the Palestinians are in the situation they are in now. This history is largely ignored.

I keep hearing this kind of thing. I hope it is true. Where were the Muslim clerics condemning the acts of 9-11? I saw maybe one or two of them. This Islam is a peaceful religion stuff is bullshit to me. Mohamed was a conqueror, not a peace loving guy.

If the shoe fits...

Wait...I thought polls were worthless? Or is it only when people are polled and it shows that Bush *at this point* is in some potential threat of losing his job?

Nice diversion. :rolleyes:

All I ever hear is how these extremists do not represent all Muslims. Well, as long as a see no Muslims protesting against the suicide attacks. As long as I see Muslims on the street cheering the deaths caused by these attacks. I will believe that they are representing the majority. Plain and simple.

Agreed....Where are the peace loving practicing Muslims? Their silence is deafening.

Yawn...good comeback, Sally.

Oh nice. I see you are already becoming a Sean clone. Instead of arguing the point you ignore them, or inject a bit of 'humor'.

I dare you to find even one post where I didn't first try to argue my side of the debate intelligently, or when my name calling wasn't retaliatory.

Were did I say anything about name calling Sean? I said he was ignoring posts and trying to inject humor.

If that's the case, I misunderstood your post. With your inference to "Sean Clone", I thought you were saying I ignorded posts.

My bad.

That is exactly what I was saying. You both tried to claim victory while not responding to all the arguments.

You said "THE" Militant Arabs like thats all there was, sure I guess you could argue that you only meant the few who fight but your wording inferred something different. Bush does the same thing, infers something but stays vague enough to deny the impression people got later on.
If you are refering to ONLY the militant arabs then you're missing my important distinction that there ARE Palestinians that want peace!

I understand the historical reasons for the hatred between the two groups, actually the Arab vs. Jew vs. Christianity conflicts have gone on alot longer than 80 years. The most recent round of hatered started 80 years ago and is reaching a boiling point now.

What I'm saying is we need to stop them from fighting and show them that what they're doing is wrong. Your implication that since the Palestinians have sheltered this hatred for 80 years and they need to be punished by letting the Israelis roll over them in ethically wrong.


No you didn't see any of them, the american media showed you two. The thing is there aren't many Muslims in America and those that there are are already persicuted into silence by americans who blame Muslims in general for terrorism in the world. That's why I'm saying ask around yourself and see how many Muslims condone terrorism. You'd be lucky to find many, and the ones you do are the extremeists and the people the extremeists have brainwashed.

I had the good fortune to actually talk to a few Muslims, foreign Muslims at that, and when we mentioned the World Trade Center Attacks they bowed their heads and offered their condolences.
This from people who live in crumbleing huts in the middle of a war who were going to live like kings off the food and clean water we were giving them, and they were still sorry for the pain WE had suffered.

This is where your ignorance on the Islamic Religion REALLY shows through. While Muslims do have a history of violence, the majority of believers were convereted peacefully. Plus almost all religions have a history of violence, didn't you ever hear of the crusades? And how many wars have been declared in the name of God?

Try actually learning what Islam is before you start to make judgements like that. I recomend the book "Islam- Faith,Culture,History" by Paul Lunde. You'd learn that Mumammad was persicuted and ran out of Mecca, then attacked after converting Medina, before returning to conquor Mecca. But when he arrived at Mecca a peace treaty was signed.

Also Islam faith is built on five pillars:

-The Profession of Faith; there is only one god and Muhammad is his messenger.

-Prayer; Five Daily

-Alms; Charity, a fundamental to Islam

-Fasting; Sunrise to Sunset during Ramadan (I learned that this is actually much more festive that I thought it would be. In Camp Doha after the sun set all the Muslims ate drank and joked around like it was a party.)

-Pilgrimage; Visit Mecca at least once in your lifetime.

-Jihad is NOT one of the pillars, only the extremists consider it to be one. Jihad means "Stuggle,exertion" and there are two kinds "Greater" and "Lesser". "Greater Jihad" is the struggle against evil that Muslims face in everyday lives. "Lesser Jihad" is a "Legal War" which must legally be declared by the Caliph (successor to the Prophet, equivalent of the Pope to Catholics). The enemy has to be unbelievers whose terrirtory borders Islamic territory. Before the opening of hostilities the enemy must be given the chance to convert, if they do they join the believers, if not then they can be conquored by force. POW's become property of the leader. Movable property is divided between the warriors after one fifth is set aside for the poor. Women and Children must not be harmed. Trees or Herds must not be destroyed so pesants don't loose thier livelihood. And "People of the Book" (christians, Jews, or any other religion with scriptures) have a privilidged status and are free to practice their religion.

After learing all that you can see why most all Muslim believers belive that all terrorist attacks are against Islamic Principals and all attackers are going straight to hell. Osama's war isn't even a true Jihad because the person declaring it is some nobody with a bunch of money who wants to declare war on a distant land and murder innocents.

I know there are Palestinians that want peace. I just don't believe they are an overwhelming majority like you seem to think. I am talking about the Palestinians specifically not all Arabs.

I understand your point, I just wanted to point out the origin of the current problems.

Again, when did I say the Israelis should be allowed to roll over them. I simply stated that Arafat is a rejectionist, and a terrorist. He has had chance after chance for peace and has always gie it lip service. Unfortunatey that is all it has ever been is lip service.

I think the persecution angle is a bit ridiculous to say the least. As a rule America is not persecuting it's Muslim residents at all. That is just hyperbolic BS. Show me another religion that is committing terrorist acts around the world. Look I don't hate Muslims. I have worked with them, and actually discuss these issues with them almost every day. One of the guys is Egyptian and the other guy is from Iran. They own the neighborhood store I go into every day. Your claim that there aren't many Muslims in America is pretty ridiculous as well.

Good. All the ones I have talked to have told me the same thing. You are making this to broad. The Palestinians are the issue really. Remember them dancing in the streets? How about the polls?

That is all well and good my friend. The real problem with Islam is the Wahabi sect of the religion, which seems to be pretty closely related to the Sunni sect. The wahabists do hate us generally. They are the ones that create monsters like UBL. The Sunnis are generally rejectionists as well. They don't believe Israel has a right to exist for the most part.

While this discussion is interesting, it is besides the point of this post really. I am not some redneck that thinks that we should just 'Nuke 'em all, and let Allah sort 'em out!'. That is just ignorant. I know most Arabs are not like the terrorists. I also know that a whole shitload of Arabs are continuously fed a line of bullshit.

I do think that our support of Israel is the right thing to do. I also think the Arab nations, for the most part, all want Israel to dissapear. The entire world hates this tiny country, and the hate is generally based on lies and half-truths that continue to be spread through the universities of the world. People are given a highly slanted side of the story, which conveniently leaves out most of the truth.

Again, everyone please check out the link I posted. It is a Muslim site that actually tells the truth about the triangle of evil known as UBL, Saddam Hussein, and Yasser Arafat.

Arafat is still alive...... because WE choose to keep him alive. For the betterment of us all. As soon as the US gives the greenlight to kill him 10 million Arabs will overrun Israel (once they kill him) and WWIII will break out. Plain and simple.

Arafat is about as useful as tits on a bull; he is the puppet for Hamas.

I am no big fan of the Palestinians, but the Israelis are no angels in this problem either.

Stone

WTF are you talking about? Last time Israel faced the "Islamic World" the "Islamic World" got their asses kicked in six friggin days man! Get your facts together dude. We have been trying to prevent Israel from unleashing hell on earth if they were to be attacked again. Let me ask you this, What do you think Israel would have done if a 911 type attack happened on their soil? Even your buddy Osama hasn't the balls to do something like that. A true man of conviction would have attacked Israel. After all, his so called goal of 911 was his contempt for our support of Israel. Right? That's what he said in the videos remember? If Osama would have done that, the fight would have been over much more quickly at a much more devastating cost.

Fact is my friend, the islamic extremist would slit your christian throat and dance in celebration while you bled to death. They especially HATE people like YOU! No matter how much you try to embrace them and their increasingly more screwed up philosophy.

Have your interpreter buddy explain that more clearly for you.

OWNED

P.S...I don't dislike a man due to his faith. If you want to be islamic or buddist or worship UFO's that's the business of that person. Being American means all types of people, from all walks of life living together in harmony. I admit, it hasn't always been that way, but I think it's getting better. It just takes time for some to break old bad habits.

I believe the extremists hate any type of authority they can't control. They don't want secular governments to give the power to the people. If they did, they would instantly become a minority. I think the majority of muslims really want some kind of peace...I think some of them may even feel Arafat has no desire to see them live in peace. On the otherhand, Israel needs to give the occupied territories back to the Palestinians once they demonstrate they have a real desire to have peace. Israel needs to quit creating settlements when they say they are going to. And on the part of Palestine, they need the good people to raise up and realize that the extremist factions are oiling the jaws of the war machine with the blood of their children. Where is the glory in that? When will they realize that?

This is good stuff man. I'm happy to see some Xterra drivers are intelligent, articulate, able to express their convictions thoughtfully, and with emotion.
Come on man; unless you're out burning your neighbors cat for fun, robbing old ladies for your next hit of dope or unfortunately anything more sinister, you're a GOOD person. It doesn't matter if you pray to an 8 armed flying monkey.( Well it DOES if you've read the 10 commandments...) Christianity, Buddihsm, Catholicism, Islam, and even Judaism are today all products of mans desire to profit. Organized religion is mans creation, not Our Creator's. I write "our Creator" because that's my point. We're all praying to the same G-D. The G-D of good and right, of peace and happiness. When Shit like Osama happens, it's one mans misguided,(very misguided) interpretation of a well meant message. We are supposed to live together here and work towards the same common goal; Free pizza fridays.

Peace loving Muslims, and Americans, and Peace Hating Americans

After today's Palestinian stunt, Israel should just go in and crush each and every one of them. Sorry Midnight. I now there are lots of good Palestinians. But you know what...they aren't doing squat.

This attack is totally unjustified. Not like any of the previous ones were either. They should be nuked. Period.

I don't know if nuking them would be the answer..

I don't understand why the media doesn't make as big an issue of a suicide bomber killing dozens of innocent people, as they do the Israeli army killing one Hamas or Hezbollah thug.

At least you know the Israeli's are coming.

Another example of the double standard.

There are millions of Muslims in America. At least nine million and the number is increasing rapidly. Many are involved in Jihad activity. This is the latest from Cincinnati. This shit is going on all over the country. A practicing Muslim is always a Muslim first and an American last. This is what is going on in America today.

Two Mosques a short drive from my house have been implicated directly in terrorism. One on Atlantic Ave. in Brooklyn has funneled millions of dollars to terrorists. Another In Jersey City is where the WTC 1993 attacks were planned. I'm sure there is still stuff going on there considering Jersey City's large Arab population was out on rooftops and streets cheering the Sept. 11 attacks after they occurred.

A little reality and less criticism of your fellow citizens and soldiers on your part is definitely in order here. You have been totally brainwashed by the PC and multiculturalist bullshit in our society. And please... don't post any crap that you were in Iraq. I know that. Your blog diary said it all.

I love how sheltered and priveledged "white boys" today have such a twisted view on reality.

Isn't it so darn funny that top US govt officials can get away with everything just by saying we didn't know about it?
Oh yeah, love the fact that Clinton was involved in this plot. Good theory, stupid idea.

Granted, this is bad, but why are you so gleeful about it? Clinton probably didn't even know about it.

Hey, I'm just using your argument against you.

When we bring up the 9/11 FBI memo from Minneapolis, you all go "BUSH DIDN'T KNOW!!"

There is no glee from me, in fact, I understand what they were trying to do, ill-concieved or poorly planned as it was. I have no problem with the administration saying they knew nothing about it. I am sure there are many in any administration who feel that the President should be isolated from certain controversial operations or decisions to save him from liabilty should said operation go bad. I am not saying it is right or wrong, regardless of who is in charge. And since only CJ and myself responded to the original link, i didnt see much "glee" at all. It seems you are a bit sensitive lately. You been getting enough sleep? Your girlfriend giving you problems? Work ok? i hope so, but remember, we are here for you if you want to talk.

Good. Israel should be allowed to attack any state that supports those that want to kill it's citizens. I wouldn't mind them kicking the shit out of Syria. That would be one less terrorist state whose ass we have to kick in the future. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are going to be responsible for destabilizing the entire region through their idiotic tactics. Don't they realize Sharon is done with the bullshit? He isn't going to fuck around anymore.