flamers rejoice! (does not necessarily apply to those on xoc )

It has been noted . . .

Oral is considered sodomy??? Sodomy is illegal in VA??? Oops...

eyup. been on the books for some 200 years.

At least in Virginia it doesn't discriminate. It's for EVERYONE.

Because of this Supreme Court ruling there are no more effective sodomy laws in any state.

This is a dark day in American history. The Supreme Court has once again over stepped its bounds and made a policy decision instead of defending the Constitution. Something that is totally out of the scope of its powers.

This decision is another "fuck you" to the states in this republic. This case should have been turned down by the court. There is no mention of sodomy anywhere in the constitution. This is not a federal right. If the Texas legislature wants to have a sodomy law, this is up to the people of Texas. If the federal government wants to outlaw sodomy it is up to Congress to do this. The justices job is to protect and uphold the constitution. Not pervert the constitution by making policy and morality (immorality) decisions.

This will lead to a snowball of more gay agenda issues. Maybe even polygomy cases. Who knows. The public's tolerance for this garbage and "forced immorality by the state" is fading fast.

The Federal Government is out of control. States have almost no rights anymore other than to hand out traffic violations and collect taxes. State legislatures mean nothing anymore. Our representative democracy is virtually disappearing right before our eyes. The sycophants in Washington are out of control.

The Federal Government has now entered a dangerous point in history. Our system is broken. Representative democracy is a thing of the past. They are now in the business of usurping public morality and the religious convictions of much of the populace. There will be a point in the near future when the states and the people will have had enough.

It's decisions like this and the inevitable fallout that could sow the seeds for a second civil war. If shit like this keeps up I can easily see secession movements starting up in the future. It might be a good idea this time.

Wow, this is quite possibly the most paranoid ultra-conservative delusional bullshit you have spewed here so far.

How exactly does someone else's right to have anal sex affect you, your family, or your rights as an individual? Why is it "beyond" the powers of the Court to protect the rights of all individuals in this country? Just because you don't agree with Graham and Chia's habits ( ), doesn't mean you, or the Texas government have any right stop them. Remember, "All men (even the gay ones) are created equal."

I do agree with you on one point, we may one day get enough paranoid, delusional fucking morons like yourself together in a group and start another succession movement. I can only hope that your little band of Elitist Ultra-Conservative Christian Warriors takes things a little too far and get put down quickly and quietly.

Riddle me this Batman, since the other 49 states in the Union long ago decided not to have effective sodomy laws, why wasn’t your easily ignited succession movement set off sooner?

First of all this is really a privacy issue.
Secondly if states were allowed to do whatever they wanted to do, we would still have slavery, and later segregation.(Yes I got the second point from O'reilly, but it is a good analogy)

You are correct, they shouldn't be making morality decisions. So Scalia should NEVER have mentioned anything about some supposed "gay agenda."

No, there is no law that says you can't have anal sex. But that's not why it was thrown out. It was thrown out on PRIVACY. How do you enforce a sodomy law? Searching. No other way. It is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment.

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This will lead to a snowball of more gay agenda issues. Maybe even polygomy cases. Who knows. The public's tolerance for this garbage and "forced immorality by the state" is fading fast.

Sorry, it's not forced immorality. I don't recall them saying that you or I have to do it.

Once again you show how far out there you are. Idiot. Why don't you go start a militia group, and go take on an Army base, so you can be put down quickly. Part of our system is also designed to protect the minority from the majority.

You like that huh...??

I was a little worried I was soft on the topic...

Hey... I always speak well of you.

Well Robin... There are about 13 states that have sodomy laws. At least until today. In 1960 all 50 states had them. I think the states have the right to repeal laws like this as they see fit. It shouldn't be up to a bunch of radicals in robes to decide on subject matter that has no mention in the constitution. This is an extreme stretch in interpretation. It is out of the bounds of their power

Plus the Supreme Court overuled its own decision from 1986 regarding a state's rights to sodomy laws. Justice Scalia was correct in everything he said. The Supreme Court has sold out on an "agenda".

You know, the funny thing is...had it been a man and woman that the cops found having the anal sex, I'd put any amount of money on it that they never would have been arrested.

And what would Scalia's argument have been if it was a man and woman bringing the case? hmmm... makes you wonder, doesn't it? Does he have no respect for privacy at all? Or is it just that SOME people are afforded the privacy that others aren't?

And only four (now three) are for same-sex only. While all had something by 1960, 20 were gone by 1980 (Illinois repealed in 1962).

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Plus the Supreme Court overuled its own decision from 1986 regarding a state's rights to sodomy laws.

They are allowed to do that. As far as the '86 ruling: Justice Lewis Powell - "I think I probably made a mistake in that one."

NY Madman, are you saying that everything not expressly permitted by the constitution is illegal ?

If it's the case, stop breathing right now... there is nothing about breathing in the constitution...

Note: My english is bad (sorry, French speaking Canadian) so I must add that this is an ironic post to demonstrate the stupidity of the argument... it's not at all a statement that sodomy is necessary for the life... unlike breathing

Moby... I'm worried that you know all these statistics.....

Do you defend deviance with your personal friends with as much motivation as you do on here?

Yeah they can do that. They can do whatever they want.

We need a new amendment to the constitution if we are going to survive "rule by judiciary".

Nah...did a google, like you.

I don't have to defend the "deviance" with my personal friends, because none of them have a problem with it (one is even a devout Southern Baptist, if you can imagine that).

I'd bet in your wettest dreams it would read something like: "Congress shall make no law that is not sanctioned by the ultra Christian conservative left without regard to the other two-thirds of this country's population's opinion."

Perhaps this way "representative democracy" will return to America, serving the interests of the small minded thus preventing another succession movement. :rolleyes:

No, what he's saying is that anything that is not in the constitution is reserved for states to decide, which is correct.

See Madman? I defend you, too.

No doubt. Look who's in the White House.

DOH! I know...that was just too easy.

(and no, I don't think anything was "stolen")

By the way Madman, sorry to hear Strom Thurman finally kicked the bucket. It know it must suck to lose a personal hero.

Now if we can get that idiot Bird to kick the bucket we will be all set.

I agree Mobycat, states must have a certain freedom to create laws. I also think that no state/country should legiferate on what is done by consenting adults behind closed doors...

Thanks, I appreciate it. Some people take things out of context. I guess they don't understand some of my rants.

Not for nothing .... I don't think you are as "liberal" as you might portray yourself.

I think you play "devil's advocate" a lot of times....

Can you say cyber hug, that is so sweet.

Sodomy is a pain in the ass.........

Awwww, now I feel bad.

Sorry for all the name calling NY, I did get kind of carried away -- not to say that I didnt think you are way off in left field but still...