The gas prices are the main reason I just bought a motorcycle. It only costs $7-8 to fill and I get 50-60mpg. I've only had it a week and already have ridden about 500 miles. I was averaging about 2 tanks a week in the X. Can't afford to drive her anymore.

SouthernX: Florida has a lot higher gas taxes, though.

We were floored when we came down for Spring Rally. We filled up at home for $1.83 or $1.89 (early March) and found the cheapest in Florida at $2.09. Of course, when we got back home, the cheapest in Alabama was $1.95.

I never gripe about my X's gas mileage, but I've had a couple of well-thinking people suggest that I buy an economy car to drive for longer distances. OK, let's look at that option:

Now: Truck payments: $0 (paid for)
Truck insurance: $90/month
Gas expenditure: $120/month
Total: $210/month

With Car: Car payments: $150/month
Truck and car insurance: $140/month
Gas expenditure: $60/month
Total: $350

Someone remind me where $350 a month is cheaper than $210 a month. :rolleyes:

$2.19 premium w/ethanol 89 octane
$2.24 reular no alcohol 87 octane

Good old Casey's General Store.

I also saw $2.15 today for regular with ethanol

$2.42 central Michigan. 87 octane. Thanks Mr. Bush.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ever been to Europe? They pay $3.00 a litre. Get over it.

Get over it hell! This isnt Europe! We don't have the public transportation Europe has. If we did it would be different. To hell with Europe. Get the prices back down.

And to hell with blaming Bush for this. I remember when Clinton was in office that there was a huge spike in gas prices at one point.

The whole system is flawed. Oil shouldn't be traded as a commidity. If a popular analyst comes out and predicts that gas prices will go way up in the near future, then they do...just because of the reactions based off of their predicitons.

The gas prices should be based on how much it costs to produce the gas, not on what it is trading at.

Bullshit we don't. Have you even BEEN to Europe? Newsflash. Here's what they have in major cities: Buses, possibly a subway or light rail (depending on what city). Then for cross country, they have a train system.

Guess what... In the US, in major cities, we have buses, subway or light rail (depending on the city). And for cross country, we have Amtrak OR Greyhound.

Quit your bitching. Europe's mass transit ISN'T any better than ours. It's just that they don't have to travel as far to get from one end of a country to another.

Get a better arguement. Yours has way too many holes...

I'm sure if we had bullet trains it would be different, amtrak sucks

The States isn't that bad at all.
Up here it is 94.9 cents per litre which works out to $2.93US per USgal

#1 I wasnt blaming Bush. That was someone elses argument. I blame greedy oil companies.
#2 The US doesnt even come close to the european transit system. True, I havent been there but one of my employees goes 3 times a year and swears by it.
Agree that gas shouldnt be traded as a commodity though.

Bahahahahahaha

Have you ever ridden Amtrak? Yeah? Well...tell me how do I get to Las Vegas...from ANYWHERE?

Washington DC to Chicago - it takes 18 hours. For 697 miles.

High Speed? Forget it. Acela isn't fast by any stretch of the imagination.

Let's not even touch Greyhound...that's a joke bringing them up.

It's $2.45 for regular here. I'm looking for a Geo (or such) to drive...the Xterra is parked except for special use! Costs me $80 round trip to get to work and back (I come home about twice a month) in the Xterra and I drove the neighbor's Suzuki Swift for $25 round trip!!!

I agree, and I HAVE been to Europe (Germany, France, and Austria). Our mass transit system is SHIT compared to Europe's. You can get hourly trains to just about anywhere. In America you might be able to get three Greyhounds a day. Comparing Europe's clean, fast, and on time trains to America's Greyhounds is a F&%@ing JOKE! I've ridden trains in Europe that go 225 KPH (thats 140 MPH for the metrically challenged) try that on a Greyhound or Amtrak. People in Europe also use bicycles which they can take on any train (they have special cars for bicycles) you CAN'T take a bicycle on a Greyhound (well you can take a disassembled, boxed bicycle for an extra fee), I don't know about Amtrak I've never ridden one, the closest station is in Atlanta approx 100 milea away. In Europe you can get a train in ANY city. And as for the countries in Europe being smaller, people in Europe cross borders just like we cross state lines.

Bicycles and Mass Transit isn't the reason that Europes fuel prices are high though.

I have been all over Europe a number of times, there are tons of cars. So, the argument that everyone rides bikes and takes mass transit is the reason that gas is so high is a joke.

Too true. But high gases prices surely is the reason they ride bikes (opposite of what you just said).

If you haven't been, then you don't know. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence... But you don't know, 'cause you haven't been. I have.

Takes over an hour to go 20 miles from the airport, to the city of Paris, on the light-rail/subway system. And that's a non-stop, direct train. By the time your whining arse has stood in line, bought the ticket, waited for the train, rode the train, gotten to your stop, and exited the subway, I would have rented a car, driven, and had been sitting there waiting for you for over a half an hour... And that's just a 20 mile trip...

But the reasons Europeans in the major cities use public transportation, and use bicycles, more than we do in the US, is directly the result of 1 thing. Just 1. It's not the price of oil. It's not the "great" mass transit systems. It's not 'cause they like to ride their bikes more. The 1 reason is simple. Parking.

European cities, and their streets, have been around for thousands of years. Which means most of the streets are only wide enough for 2 horse/buggies to pass each other, w/ no extra room on the side. You can drive whatever car you want, over there, but if you can't park it, then you've got a bit of a problem... The city streets, for the most part, are just too dam narrow to be efficient for moving auto traffic. So Europeans use mass transit, because that's their ONLY choice. In Paris and London (two cities I've been to), a Porsche 911 is a large car compared to most everything that's on the road. A Mini Cooper is larger than most everything on the road. Do you think people like to fold themselves into these things?? Heck no. No more so than we would. But if you want to drive a car, then that's what you have to buy, becuase you have to have something small to fit on the roads, and to be able to find a parking space.

Mass transit in Europe is defined by the lack of space. We don't have that problem, here, and probably never will.

But not a bit of that has anything to do w/ the price of oil.

I've been, and our mass transit system doesn't come close in my experience.

Not even close.

Really.

Um...yeah, right. When was the last time you could get a rental car in less than 10 minutes?

How expensive does gas have to get before you have to start making lifestyle-reduction choices?

Let's say you want to take a roadtrip, like to goneMOAB and let's say Moab is 1200 miles from your home. Assuming 16mpg, that's 150 gallons roundtrip. At $2.50/gallon that's $375 for gas just to get to Moab. That doesn't include gas consumed while wheeling. If gas goes to $3.00/gallon, that's $75 less you have for stuff like food, etc.

I wonder how high gas will have to get to significantly reduce driving-based tourism in the US...

Gas in Western PA is about 2.20 for 87...

I've ridden the motorcycle everyday for the last three weeks, filled up once. It's helps that I only live about 4 miles from work...

Bike doesn't help when it's snowing etc though...

I was planning on heading out to Ouray this year in my Jeep. I'm seriously reconsidering based solely on gas prices. Its 2160 miles round-trip directly from my house to Ouray (no side trips). Right now gas here is about $2.25/g. Last year at this time, it was $1.75. 2160 miles / 15mpg (wishful thinking) is 140 gallons needed. That's an extra $70 for a $0.50 increase since last year. Its a $113 increase since two years for the same trip (was $1.45/g). That's enough of a difference that it could make a dent in my plans, especially if it keeps climbing.

most major brand stations by me are around the $2.05-$2.10 mark for 87, but you can find the generic stations that are holding their prices at $1.99 for 87 and boy are they constantly busy!

I'm in the same situation since I'm going to Moab that's a 4,300 drive roundtrip from NJ. But surprisingly it's going to be cheaper this time then the past 3 times I did this.

Simply because I no longer have an S/C.

First year it cost me around $800.

Now with my calculations it should be around $670

.............and we were complaining about $2.00 a gallon in this thread and blaming Bush.